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From: Magot
Date: 06-19-2003, 01:04 PM (1 of 21)
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Some 4 years ago a Norfolk farmer defended his isolated farm ( which had been subject to repeated attacks) from burglars with a shotgun. A 16 year old died and the farmer was sentanced to 5 years in prison for manslaughter. One of the 16 year olds fellow burglers who was injured in the attack has now won the right to sue the imprisoned farmer for damages, traumatic shock and, no doubt, los of earnings! he is persuing this through the courts on Legal Aid so the taxpayer gets to foot the bill. Is it odd of me to think that there is something screwy about this situation?
love and kisses, Jan
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User: Magot
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From: dmoses
Date: 06-19-2003, 01:55 PM (2 of 21)
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I think the juvenile delinquents should get a kick in the rear, and be sent to work the farm. It's pathetic.
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From: Chrysantha
Date: 06-19-2003, 02:32 PM (3 of 21)
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The parents of the kids oughta be put in the pokey too, along with the kids....poor farmer...he needs a good lawyer and a better jury....
Chrys
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User: Chrysantha
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From: MaryW
Date: 06-19-2003, 02:44 PM (4 of 21)
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Here we have what is called the Young Offenders Act. The kids can't be held accountable until they are legal age. It is crazy, they had a kid shoot a woman cop here a few months back. They get away with murder.
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From: Magot
Date: 06-19-2003, 05:01 PM (5 of 21)
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Public outcry in favour of the farmer was huge - but in law, he had no right to kill and injure someone - that's why he was sent down. I quote - 'The 56 year old farmer is to be released next month after serving five years for manslaughter. he killed Fred Barras ,age 16, with a shotgun in the burglary at his isolated Norfolk Farmhouse. Fearon, age 33, who will get legal aid and has more than 30 criminal convictions, hopes to sue for a reported £15,000. He was jailed for three yars for conspiracy to burgle. The Judge said "To deny Fearon the righ to his claim could contravene his righhts under the Human Rights Convention."Fearon claimed his leg wound had affected his ability to enjoy sex and martial arts and he had suffered post-traumatic stress. The case is being sent to the High court because of it's complexity.' The Independant Sunday 14 June sheesh love and kisses, Jan
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User: Magot
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From: plrlegal
Date: 06-20-2003, 01:59 AM (6 of 21)
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I work in the legal system every day here in Oklahoma. The legal system here in the U.S. is a big fat joke and farce. The ambulance chasing private practice lawyers make a bundle and the only people who win are the freakin criminals. I think the world is pretty bad when the right to defend your own property is taken away from the honest law abiding citizens and given to the criminal. Hey, don't get me started on the justice system cause it gives me high blood pressure. All of these lazy no good citizens that are constantly suing the state governments -- who do they think pays those lawsuits? Not the jerks doing the suing that's for sure. It's the taxpayers and the government keeps taxing the working people so the non-working lazy jerks that have nothing better to do can file more lawsuits. The State office I work in defends the State of Oklahoma and most of our time is spent defending lawsuits filed by the criminals in the prison systems because they're unhappy about the food, it's too hot, it's too cold in their cells, their shower water is not soft enough --- geesh, give us all a legal break! Okay, now my blood pressure has gone down a little. LOL Sorry Magot but that farmer should have knocked all of those little punks off and saved everyone a lot of money and aggravation. Patsy Patsy
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User: plrlegal
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From: Magot
Date: 06-20-2003, 03:04 AM (7 of 21)
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Now here, if he had, the farmer wouldn't be coming out of gaol! I think the thing I find hardest is that it seems that if a criminal is injured during the course of a crime - it isn't his fault and somebody else should recompense him. What ever happen to actions have consequences? If you weren't committing the crime, you wouldn't now be in trouble. It seems to be an underlying trend in humanity that it ain't my fault , someone else should pay. It is nothing new - goes right back to Adam blaming God!! ( The woman YOU gave me told me to , so I did) Kids at school work on the Bart Simpson principle "I didn't do it, you didn't see me, you can't prove anything anyhow" It is OK to bend the rules to suit yourself so long as you don't get caught - but if you bending the rules affects me - I'll sue! I think there are even Roman documents bewailing the youth of today - how much of this is societal and how much parental and how much just plain human cussedness I guess we'll never know. love and kisses, Jan
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From: Dede
Date: 06-20-2003, 08:21 AM (8 of 21)
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Chrys, I have to somewhat disagree with you. My baby brother, now 40, has always been a major pain in the ..., did time again and again. Dad raised 3 kids on his own but one of them would do everything he could to aggravete us and everybody around him. Dad even took him to the police station on more than one occasion so he would admit to whatever crime he had committed at that time. Maybe some parents deserve the sentence as well as the kids, but not all of them. Some kids will just do what they want to do, no matter what. |
User: Dede
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From: MissMinx
Date: 06-20-2003, 08:31 AM (9 of 21)
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It is the Society that is screwing this up. And you would think that Society is you and me - but no, this is not the case! The guns are illegal in my country, so if you shoot the intruder, you'll be put away for using illegal weapon, as well as other things. Go figure. |
User: MissMinx
Member since: 02-14-2003 Total posts: 140 |
From: Magot
Date: 06-20-2003, 10:34 AM (10 of 21)
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I have to go with you there Dede, we all make a choice how we live.
love and kisses, Jan
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User: Magot
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From: Llantrisant
Date: 06-20-2003, 12:25 PM (11 of 21)
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The law seems to be made only for criminals eh?acting on self defence for oneself is not allowed here. I think it would do lads a big favor, to send them to a boot camp, or national service!where they are taught right from wrong.The society has given far too much freedom to young offenders these days, and no one respects other pls property or lives. Law needs revamping mega time! If at first you don't suceed, try-try again!
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User: Llantrisant
Member since: 06-02-2002 Total posts: 144 
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From: plrlegal
Date: 06-20-2003, 12:39 PM (12 of 21)
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The new wave here in the US with criminals/wrongdoers is that their civl rights have or are being violated. What has happened to the victims' rights, is my big question? Don't get me wrong girls, I don't believe that anyone should be able to go around injuring and killing others with a gun or weapon of any kind. However, NOT having the right to defend your property and family is another whole big issue that is really heating up here in the US due to the new Patriot Act. Patsy Patsy
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User: plrlegal
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From: Dede
Date: 06-20-2003, 02:24 PM (13 of 21)
Aren't some States (or is it Provinces ... I don't know anymore  ) allowed to try young offenders as adults depending on the crime? Talk about a good dose of reality for those kids.
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User: Dede
Member since: 03-23-2001 Total posts: 469 |
From: Sherri
Date: 06-20-2003, 03:05 PM (14 of 21)
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Yes but the offender has to be over 16 to be tried as an adult and I think it has to be horrendous or a repeat crime. Sherri My website
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User: Sherri
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From: Ann C
Date: 06-20-2003, 05:09 PM (15 of 21)
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but as a former resident of that good old state of Texas, I think if you live there, you do have the right to defend your property. (That state still does some things right, maybe!)
Ann C
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User: Ann C
Member since: 04-26-2003 Total posts: 21 |
From: Betina
Date: 06-21-2003, 01:54 AM (16 of 21)
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Yes you do have the right to defend your property in the state of Texas... up to a point.... You can still defend your property.. there are a few particulars tho.. if you are defending yourself and you shoot someone they must still be inside your house to claim self defense..and you cant have shot them in the back. There are a few more but I cant remember them all.. I lived in Texas for 20 years. I still remember when Texas still had Sunday blue law and you can still be hanged for horse and cattle theivery...and you can still be executed by a firing squad. |
User: Betina
Member since: 04-21-2003 Total posts: 31 |
From: LeapFrog Libby
Date: 06-21-2003, 01:18 PM (17 of 21)
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That is pretty much the same here in NC.. If they are in your house , you usually don't have much trouble. There is always an investigation , though.. Pretty thourough , at that.. Speaking of Sunday Blue Laws, our neighboring state had one until 3 or 4 years ago...( which had been violated by the resort areas for years)..
Sew With Love
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From: Magot
Date: 06-22-2003, 10:31 AM (18 of 21)
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What is a Sunday Blue Law? Now you have gotme confused.
love and kisses, Jan
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User: Magot
Member since: 12-22-2002 Total posts: 3626
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From: Betina
Date: 06-22-2003, 12:30 PM (19 of 21)
| Up until the early 1980's it was mandatory that businesses werent allowed to be open on Sunday....due to a religious edict... based on the bible that on the Sabbath it was the day of rest..the only exception to this rule was the movie houses and the restaurants... finally after thousands of dollars were spent to research the changing habits of Americans the law makers decided to lift the Blue Law ruling... some areas of the counrty still hold to that rule but now its their own personal preference as to be open on Sunday or not.. |
User: Betina
Member since: 04-21-2003 Total posts: 31 |
From: Aimee S
Date: 06-22-2003, 02:00 PM (20 of 21)
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We had the sunday law in our town when we were growing up. we also had a curfew that unless you were a man of drinking age you where no allowed on the streets after dusk. you could be in a car but not walking. if you where stranded you better call the cops to not be hit with a sitation for violating curfew. In our hick town you could go to the general store and trade for items. and also we had a few hangings for people that were caught stealing. they would hold court right there. on our land when I was 6 a man was caught loading our branded cattle in his truck. the sherriff came out and so did the judge. to me he was under the influence. they talked about it and strung him up and all was settled. the coronor came out the next day to remove the body. I did not grow up in the south It was in California in 1977. there is still a curfew law and the town still pretty much closes at 10:00 now.
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From: MaryW
Date: 06-22-2003, 02:16 PM (21 of 21)
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I think we are the only place left on the planet that still does NOT have Sunday shopping, maybe a few tiny places for tourists, that is it.
MaryW
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User: MaryW
Member since: 06-23-2005 Total posts: 2542
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