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From: MaryW
Date: 02-04-2004, 06:35 PM (1 of 12)
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Not 5 miles from here (Miami) a 14 yr. old boy murdered another boy in the school bathroom. It is all there is on the news. The victim was a quiet, polite A student. Apparently one boy stabbed the other boy with a 8" serrated knife in the bathroom stall. Then, he quietly went to his classroom with his T shirt soaked in blood. They were the best of friends last year this time. There is a candlelight vigil for the victim tonight in front of the school. What in the hell is this world coming to. It makes my skin crawl. MaryW
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From: Karebear
Date: 02-04-2004, 08:57 PM (2 of 12)
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It is apparent that you are still traveling within the USA... I cannot undestand that no one is responsible for their actions.. Rather than try to explain my thoughts on this matter at hand.. and my age is more toothpicks on the table that any one can handle.. I have come to realize that WE have allowed this to happen... this killing.. this hate.. this dishonest crap...  Where was I when the law became a free for all to JOIN into tricks (or money) of a trade? I ignored the issues readily published on the internet.. I chose not to establish a place to FIGHT for what my ancestors gave so much for?... what they gave up for me was removal of sin and a wonderful feel .. but what I have allowed is the SIN to come back.. and I know that I have to figure a way to remove it for the next generation!!! Karen Karen
http://www.dancingwicks.com "If you want to build a ship, don't herd people together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea." --Antoine de Saint-Exupery |
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From: DorothyL
Date: 02-04-2004, 09:14 PM (3 of 12)
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Karen -- I gotta agree with you. We, the "me generation" really failed our kids and now our grand kids. I don't mean each individual -- I, for one, have two wonderful daughters -- but as a generation we started the downward spiral. When we shake our heads and say "kids these days" we should remember it was our generations that raised them. Dorothy |
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From: Sewhappie
Date: 02-04-2004, 11:57 PM (4 of 12)
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Mary, it is happening everywhere. Just this past Saturday a 15 yr old boy was stab in the stomach by " a friend" at the friends house in Wadsworth, Ohio. The 15 yr olds mother had just dropped him off for what they thought was going to be a Saturday of hanging with his "friend". There are two different stories going around about why it happened. FIrst they were play wrestling and the 16 yr old went to grab for something to hit him with and didn't realize that he crabbed a knife. Second, it was a set-up, unknown to the 15 yr old, to have him come over to the 16yr old's house so he could get even with him for smacking the 16yr olds girlfriend rear at school and so he stabbed the 15 yr old. The 15 yr old managed to get out of the house and was found crawling on his stomach at a near by Credit Union by a passer by. They thought at first that the kid was just joking around until they saw the blood and that the boy was crying. He was transported to the area Childrens Hospital where he died later that night. This is the first homicide in six yrs to happen in Wadsworth. I grew up in this town and things like this never happened when I was growing up there. I would hate to be a teenager today. I see what my 2 kids have to deal with and I just pray that I have done the best that I could to teach them about the rights and wrongs, the good from the bad, and that mom and dad are not their enemy in life, but their sanctuary. Can you imagine what the mother is feeling, knowning she dropped her son off at this boys house. Where the "H" were the parents of the 16yr!!!!!! |
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From: dmoses
Date: 02-05-2004, 08:41 AM (5 of 12)
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It is heartbreaking, and so frightening. But, I think that most parents don't feel that they have to be watching their teenagers every second of the day. At some point, they start giving them a little more freedom, and responsibility, and pray that they will be safe. It's part of letting them grow up. We cannot always predict the actions of others, especially if there was no indication of certain behaviors before. Do you think that the relaxed attitudes towards violence as 'entertainment' is dulling the consciences of people in general, and impressionable young people in particular. The entertainment world would like to deny it, but young people do copy what they see on TV. As an example, look how many kids have killed themselves trying to do 'Jackass' stunts. Take care,
Donna |
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From: MaryW
Date: 02-05-2004, 11:35 AM (6 of 12)
Poor Jordan. I won't let him go anywhere until he is 21. 
MaryW
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From: plrlegal
Date: 02-05-2004, 05:05 PM (7 of 12)
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Donna they are beginning to definitely prove that the bombardment with violent tv shows, videos, movies, music, and enve the physical violence some children are exposed to in their own homes, is having a very great influence and desensitizing of their attitudes toward violence to other people. How can it not. Day in and day out the kids today are left unsupervised to take part in whatever past times they choose these days., whether it's surfing the porn sites on the internet, watching the sicko viodeos on MTV, going to movies and watching videos that are not fit for adult viewing let alone teenagers and younger children. The parents today use the excuse of not wanting to violate their childrens' rights to privacy and making their own decisions. Look around people, look what the decision making of children is doing to their lives. Okay, I'm off my soap box. Patsy Patsy
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From: Marrigan
Date: 02-06-2004, 09:29 AM (8 of 12)
| I'm going to put my two cents in here. As a teacher, I'm seeing a lot of kids who aren't really parented. Sometimes parents are working 2 or more jobs and the kids are on their own. There are others who are too self centered, or just don't know how to parent. I know of kids who are up until all hours, watch garbage I wouldn't watch, and I teach K-4th graders. There are some parents who feel if they feed and clothe them, that is all they need to do. There is so much junk out there, you really need to be a censor, also you have to be nosy about who the kids are your kids are hanging out with. There are also the parents who are "friends" with their kids. You know where that goes. I'm much more nosy about what my 12 year old sees , hears and who she hangs out with than I was when she was smaller. Like the string on commitment in a marriage, there is a huge commitment as a parent. Many aren't really making it. There are still many parents who take their job seriously. You can see it as you sit in a classroom. These kids are ready to come to school as kindergarteners; good manners, know how to take turns, have some basic skills. More and more are coming to school without a clue about sharing, taking turns, listening. I'll quit now, I could go on way too long. |
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From: dmoses
Date: 02-06-2004, 11:28 AM (9 of 12)
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Marrigan, I have seen all those things as well, and agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, teachers are really powerless to do anything, and the parents won't be called to task until something terrible happens...and most likely, not even then. When was the last time anyone has ever heard of a parent being held responsible for their child's bad behaviour? This morning as I was reading my newspaper, I saw three stories about violence of child on child. In Florida, two boys aged 11 & 12, are charged with sexually assaulting a 10-year old girl in the school washroom. In Michigan, a 15 year old girl is charged with stabbing a 12 year old girl seven times on the school bus. Apparently, there was no altercation or argument between them...this was a random act of violence. Here in the Houston area, a boy robbed another at knife-point in a high school washroom, and stabbed the victim in the stomach. This is just one in a long list of happenings here. A few days ago, a fifth-grader accidentally shot himself with a semiautomatic pistol that he was showing to friends in the classroom. He found it in his garage, and sneaked it into school in his backpack. Several months ago, a 7 year old girl shot herself in the head with one of her father's guns. She was home with other siblings under the care of her 13 year old sister. Her father, a police officer(!), kept several guns in his house...apparently, well within reach of the children. And then the parents of these kids look bewildered when these things happen! Now that's bewildering! Take care,
Donna |
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From: Karebear
Date: 02-08-2004, 06:45 PM (10 of 12)
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My girlfriend is a teacher in the Miami system of education.. I spoke with her today regarding this same situation... The kid that killed another kid have been friends for years.. the kid that killed the other was from Miami.. from a spanish family.. and Jamie (deceased) is from Cuba... In terms of the teacher category.. the school that this killing made a statement was from a "GREATER school" than most In other words.. the kids ranked very HIGH in eduational learning. Social skills should be studied at this time.. but that probable cause was not a factor of ignorant.. Needless to say .. there were other problems outside of the learning type.. KarenA Karen
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From: MaryW
Date: 02-09-2004, 08:50 AM (11 of 12)
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Thanks Marrigan, I appreciate your input. I have been to my grandson's school countless times. One thing that I noticed is that there are kids who do NOT want to go home. The hallway monitors have a heck of a time getting those kids to leave the school grounds and go home. What does that tell you. I am bringing up my grandson the same way I brought up his mother and her siblings. Lots of love, care and discipline. It's all I know how to do. MaryW
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From: Mother in Law
Date: 02-09-2004, 11:56 AM (12 of 12)
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It's the blame game but I have to chime in here. I think alot of the problem is the laws also. I agree with everyone who says the way the parents have to work now a days is part of the problem but some of it the laws. I have two grandchildren who were willing to go to court and say their mothers were on drugs and wanted to live with their Dad and the courts and the police failed them.........turned a deaf ear to them. First my grandson told me and his Dad he didn't want to live with his Mom anymore because she was mistreating him and using drugs. My son took her to court, she tested positive for drugs (we paid for the hair test) and the judge listened to a liar, her mother, made my son look like the worse father that ever walked on this earth, (he tested clean for all drugs and alcohol), but because he stopped paying her child support when he found out she was using his money on drugs and he and I were feeding the child everyday and clothing him and providing him with every essential thing he needed. In the end she was allowed to move 90 miles away and is now living with her boss, who is suppling her with drugs, letting my grandson do whatever he wants and we can't do a thing about it unless we want to haul her butt back to court and spend another $2000. on lawyer fees and still lose because the court doesn't feel like a child should be taken away from a Mother ever. That's one, the other is my granddaughter, she went to the police and told the police her Mother is leaving her home alone in the evenings with her brother who is 5 years older and hits her and mistreats her. That's okay a 9 years old can stay home alone after school.  That's the law!!! Also, her Mother is doing drugs my DGD brought my son a marigu????? cigarette (I can't spell it), and last thursday her Mother's new husband got arrested for selling 3.5 ounces of the stuff out of the house my DGD lives in. Now he has to spend more money to try and get her away from this mess. The court is sending these kids the wrong message, it's okay to do drugs, your Mothers are doing it and we are not going to make it hard on her by taking you out of this atmosphere. You have to stay there and watch her do these things and fend for yourself. My son called the police and took his daughter home with him the last time it happened and the police called my son up and told my son that if he didn't bring her back to her Mother he was going to jail. The Mother has custody and he can't do anything about it except take her back to court. These girls look like the perfect mothers when they get in court. They know how to play the game. And I think it's time the laws change and make people who do drugs pay the price for their unlawful habits. Maybe if more courts would take kids out of that enviroment they would be less people drugs and a little less violence in this world. My 2 ¢ worth susie |
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