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From: MaryW
Date: 07-16-2004, 11:35 AM (1 of 27)
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Martha got 5 months in prison, along with $30,000 fine and house arrest for another 5 months. I think that is what they said.
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From: rose074
Date: 07-16-2004, 11:51 AM (2 of 27)
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I bet that was a surprise to her. I can't say that she doesn't deserve it though. Its just unfortunate that she made such a foolish decision.
Danelle in Tri-Cities Washington
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From: weB2cats
Date: 07-16-2004, 11:53 AM (3 of 27)
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I was just getting ready to watch that news segment when I went out to get the kittens off the fence, and missed it. If Donald Trump was in Martha's place, he would have NEVER been given the same sentence. The court system is so correupt it's sickening. They are just trying to put their own names out into the limelight (remember how many people we got to know during the OJ Simpson trials?)and make an example out of Martha because she is so well known. The public knows. Possibly Martha should pay a fine. What she did was underhanded maybe but she didn't hurt anyone. There are child molesters and drug dealers out there in society who get less time. It's a travesty of justice. |
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From: plrlegal
Date: 07-16-2004, 12:37 PM (4 of 27)
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I listened to a man from the Department of Justice on the O'Reilly Factor last night and he said that the DOJ doesn't necessarily prosecute everyone who commits the type of crime that MS did but they chose to prosecute MS as an example. Well, do you think the people who are going to commit those types of crime (i.e., lying about inside stock trading, etc.,) live in fear of the example the DOJ set with MS? I don't think so. What a joke our justice system is and I work in it every day. What is good for one is not necessarily good for the next guy that commits the same type of crime. Patsy Patsy
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From: MaryW
Date: 07-16-2004, 02:55 PM (5 of 27)
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The system is far from perfect. I agree. If it had been myself in that very same position, I have no doubts I would have gotten 5 years, not months. However, with all the flaws to the system I am glad I live where I do. I wouldn't trade it for the world! 
MaryW
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From: paroper
Date: 07-16-2004, 04:30 PM (6 of 27)
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I agree I am proud of my country and although our legal system isn't perfect, it is certainly one of the best in the world. However, it does kind of tick you just a mite when the rich get reduced sentances and large fines because they can afford big lawyers, the professional criminal gets to roll over on everyone he knows and get off, the pettry repeat criminal gets every break in the world and the average Joe who never has been in trouble will serve huge sentances because he doesn't know the system. pam
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From: LeapFrog Libby
Date: 07-16-2004, 06:47 PM (7 of 27)
She also got 2 years supervised probation.... Of course , that is not nearly enough....
Sew With Love
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From: MaryW
Date: 07-16-2004, 07:20 PM (8 of 27)
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No matter what she got, it would be circumspect. I think she got off very lightly. As my husband always says - 'its not what you know, it's WHO you know'.
MaryW
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From: blackie
Date: 07-16-2004, 10:13 PM (9 of 27)
It struck me as funny they are putting her on house arrest (if that is indeed true), since she is the all-time homemaker. They should put her on house arrest at *my* house, it would be punishment enough for her to live in my clutter - and I could use the help! 
see the mundane life of a housewife.
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From: beach girl
Date: 07-16-2004, 10:54 PM (10 of 27)
| Way to go Blackie !!! After your finished with her please send her to my house, Ican shop & sew while she washes the screens, windows, repot some plants ( in our 90 plus degree weather & more ) plus a lot of other stuff while I play in the sewing room.I don't think she got near enough & will get out of that. She did hurt people, she beat people out of money they'd have made with their investments & she knew it & didn't care. |
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From: weB2cats
Date: 07-16-2004, 11:11 PM (11 of 27)
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Maybe they could send Martha to do community service somewhere. that would be much more beneficial to everyone. the jail won't have to spend the money to house Martha and she could be helpful to families. Sitting in a cell is a waste of life when there are so many needs to be met elsewhere. Eileen |
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From: paroper
Date: 07-17-2004, 12:22 AM (12 of 27)
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I think that it is too bad that she seems cluless...she at one point said "It is only " (Whatever the amount) "thousand dollars, I just don't see what the big deal is." I think to the very end she just didn't understand what she did that was wrong...and I don't think that was an act. The only thing that she seemed to understand was that she was about to loose big time and she withdrew her money. She didn't understand what it did to other people and in the end the only people she thought that she could have hurt were the ones that lost their jobs in her company (including her position, I'm sure). She blames that on the system.
pam
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From: DorothyL
Date: 07-18-2004, 09:31 AM (13 of 27)
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If you think the sentence was too light, remember she was not convicted of insider trading. She was convicted of lying to federal investigators. If you think the sentence was too heavy, remember the minimum sentence is 10 months and that is just what she got and she gets to do half of it at home -- and it's not even blackie's home she does it in. She'll survive 5 months, a little humbling will probably do her some good. I have to agree community service probably would have been more beneficial to the society at large. Dorothy |
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From: MaryW
Date: 07-18-2004, 10:09 AM (14 of 27)
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I thought it was rather self indulgent of her to stand there after being sentenced to say that she has been so worried and concerned for others, forsaking her own problems. She also abused her powers, she was on the Board of Directors for the NYSE and knew that what she was doing was wrong. I have no sympathy for her. She will have to do her time. I do feel bad for her daughter. She is kinda in the same position as Chelsea when Pres. Clinton got caught with Monica. An innocent family member who will be remembered forever for their parent's bad behavior. MaryW
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From: weB2cats
Date: 07-18-2004, 11:37 PM (15 of 27)
| In an interview with Diane Sawyer questioned Martha's ability to sleep in a cell on a cot. Martha looked at Diane and smiled and said, "I can sleep on concrete". |
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From: Lise
Date: 07-19-2004, 05:44 AM (16 of 27)
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Perhaps there's poetic justice in the fact that she would have been even wealthier today if she had not tried to cheat. The stock she dumped has gone up in value.
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From: MaryW
Date: 07-19-2004, 08:22 AM (17 of 27)
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I have no doubt she can sleep on concrete. Say what you want, the woman is determined, driven and ambitious. Greed is what got her into trouble. She will come thru this and just as she said, "I'll be back" I think it's really ironic that the stocks in question are doing great now. If she had just left things alone. MaryW
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From: paroper
Date: 07-19-2004, 08:26 AM (18 of 27)
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It's the stock market. Most stocks change...daily. It takes a lot of guts to play, but she knew that, she had worked with stocks for years.
pam
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From: weB2cats
Date: 07-19-2004, 10:49 AM (19 of 27)
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It became rather obvious that any gain Martha would have realized on her underhanded move, cost her more in the end. She probably spent a fortune on attorneys, who like to delay and cost lots of $$$. Then the consequences. But, is what she did any worse than "The Donald", who got in over his head and filed bankruptcy just to turn around and start over with a clean slate? I don't think so. He burned a lot of people on his way. He's may be wealthy, but you just can't buy respect. He's a total fraud. Don't worry about Martha. By Christmas she will have already penned her memoirs and a best seller will evolve. the lady is tenacious. She have to admire her in many ways. She's a roll model of sorts to many young women and also a sterling example that dishonesty doesn't generally pay. |
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From: carman
Date: 07-19-2004, 11:56 AM (20 of 27)
| the prison where she will wind up, if she goes, as she is appealing and won't do jail time till all appeals are done, will not be hard jail, rather minimum security. out here we have one in B.C that one guy even had his horses near buy, no gates ect, doesn't even look like a prison when you drive buy it. many prisoners have have just walked off and it is not till later when head counts or whatever are done do they know they are gone, i guess they just "trust" them to stay, go figure. as there is a justice system for the rich there are "jails" for them as well. |
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From: beach girl
Date: 07-19-2004, 12:10 PM (21 of 27)
| If Martha can sleep on concrete then why is she claiming a bad back promoteing those beds on TV claiming they are so wonderful ? Well, lieing & for the money , of course. Really makes herself look stupid once again. |
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From: MariLynnTX
Date: 07-19-2004, 02:31 PM (22 of 27)
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I agree withPatsy and Web2Cats...the gov't decided to make an example of Martha because she is a successful woman, and their are far too many men out there who still regard that as anathema. She sold some stock and made $45,000 on it and has to pay a fine of $30,000...I shall watch with close interest to see what happens to Ken Lay and those other creeps from Enron who looted their employees pension fund of millions. I bet Ken Lay gets off scottfree and he is a thief big time. I've already heard one or his lawyers 'explaining' how a case cannot be proved against him. I wanted to throw the clock through the tv! They did NOT prove a case against Martha...that little whiny wimp who testified that he eavesdropped on her private conversations was lying in his teeth. After 7 children, 16 grandchildren, and several dozen piano pupils, I can spot a liar in 30 seconds! I hope she wins her appeal! MariLynntx
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From: Shellymoon
Date: 07-21-2004, 10:33 PM (23 of 27)
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I told hubby I was envious of Martha. She gets to go to jail for five months, where she can catch up on her reading and write that book. Then, she gets five months at home to rebuild her business. (Wasn't her show filmed at her house?) I need someone to put me on house arrest so I can catch up on my reading and sewing. As long as I can order notions and fabric on the Internet, I'd be fine....
Shelly Moon
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From: plrlegal
Date: 07-21-2004, 10:57 PM (24 of 27)
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She doesn't have to serve any time until her appeal processes are finished. The people in my office and I can't figure out how the Department of Justice got away with making such a big time prosecution thing about MS because she lied when there are all these other jokers (kinda like this Berger guy who stuffed top secret documents into his pants and walked away with them and destroyed them) who will walk away scott free when they really have committed big time ctimes. You gotta wonder what's up with the DOJ on this kind of thing. We decided that it was some low profile little US attorney that wanted to make a name for himself and doesn't have the knowledge or experience to actually take on the "big guys". Because I work in the government legal field, I probably see a side of some of these cases that you guys don't have access to. Patsy Patsy
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From: MariLynnTX
Date: 07-22-2004, 05:12 PM (25 of 27)
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Originally posted by plrlegal She doesn't have to serve any time until her appeal processes are finished. The people in my office and I can't figure out how the Department of Justice got away with making such a big time prosecution thing about MS because she lied when there are all these other jokers (kinda like this Berger guy who stuffed top secret documents into his pants and walked away with them and destroyed them) who will walk away scott free when they really have committed big time ctimes. You gotta wonder what's up with the DOJ on this kind of thing. We decided that it was some low profile little US attorney that wanted to make a name for himself and doesn't have the knowledge or experience to actually take on the "big guys". Because I work in the government legal field, I probably see a side of some of these cases that you guys don't have access to. Patsy I think you are probably right on target. I, too, have worked for thegovernment and for the State of Texas and that is exactly how things go. And compare Martha's case with Ken Lay of Enron, who stole MILLIONS from his employees. Marilynntx Life is a song...we give it harmony or dissonance.
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From: plrlegal
Date: 07-22-2004, 05:50 PM (26 of 27)
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or the head of MCI who bilked employees of multiple states out of millions of dollars in their retirement funds. Not that I condone Martha Stewart lying but the federal government spent several million dollars trying to scare the American public into not lying, as if anybody cares. The American public was harmed more by the government spending tax dollars on frivilous prosecution trying to scare the American public than what profit MS made on the shares of her company that were sold off, in my opinion. If the American public would only open their eys and took a look at how our tax dollars are wasted and get mad about that instead of getting mad at Martha Stewart. Patsy Patsy
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From: MariLynnTX
Date: 07-22-2004, 06:06 PM (27 of 27)
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I agree 100%. Furthermore, I do not think the prosecution proved that Martha lied. I looked at that whiny wimp telling how he eavesdropped on telephone conversations and thought, "What a liar." I had seven children, 16 grandchildren, and assorted piano pupils and I can spot one severaL miles away! If HE was their big 'evidence,' they are really reaching. MariLynntx Life is a song...we give it harmony or dissonance.
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