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From: MaryW
Date: 06-13-2005, 11:17 AM (1 of 17)
As you probably know by now, we have a new pup. His name is Spike and he is just about a month old now. I have to paper train him and I'm not having much luck. I have not had one this young before. Is he too young yet or am I just being impatient. 
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From: DorothyL
Date: 06-13-2005, 11:41 AM (2 of 17)
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It 's like with a kid, Mary. After the fact does no good at all. You have to put him on the paper BEFORE he goes. When he wakes up and after he eats are good places to start. Before long you will figure out his schedule and he will figure out what you want him to do. He is young so give him time. But be consistent. Dorothy |
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From: Bama
Date: 06-13-2005, 12:00 PM (3 of 17)
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Mary, A month old is still young, but I would start trying to train him right away. Alot of people suggest to crate train them. If you buy a crate, be sure to get one for the size he'll be when grown. Don't get one too large. He just needs to be able to stand up in it and have room to lay down. If it's too large, he might be pee in it. They normally won't pee where they sleep (their den), but if it's too large he might use one side of it. They sleep in the crate and stay in it when you can't be with them. Take him out after a few hours to go potty. Keep in mind that a puppy that young can't hold it for long. The crate I bought had a booklet with it with alot of training tips. We started our dog out in a crate, but it didn't work out since my kids couldn't keep their hands off of her.  I bought some puppy training pads. Whenever she started looking for a place to go (you can tell after a while) I set her on the puppy pad. It didn't take long for her to get the idea. I also wiped up accidents with a paper towel and put the towel on the training pad so she would smell it and get the idea to go there next time. (gross, I know, but it worked) I used an enzyme cleaner to clean up accidents on the floor so she wouldn't automatically go back to the same spot. The one I used is called Kids n pets stain and odor remover. When I put her on the pad, I said "potty". Now she'll go outside to the use the bathroom when we say "go potty". She still uses the puppy pads when we're not home. Good luck! It takes a while, but he'll get it if you keep trying. 
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From: MaryW
Date: 06-13-2005, 12:00 PM (4 of 17)
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He can go 10 times in 10 minutes, then sleep for a few hrs. It's only a tiny puddle, he is a Tshi Tzu (shid zoo) so you could easily put him in a plant pot for now. LOL. MaryW
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From: Sailorliz
Date: 06-13-2005, 01:02 PM (5 of 17)
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Mary, When I adopted my dog last year, she was already past the puppy stage and was housebroken. But, I did do other training with her. This is one website that I used and found very helpful. http://101-dog-training-tips.com/Puppy_Training/Puppy_Training.shtml Hope this helps! 
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From: blessedmommyuv3
Date: 06-13-2005, 02:46 PM (6 of 17)
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We crate trained our Saint when she was a puppy. It worked really well. We would let her out of the crate once every hour give her a drink, and take her out on a leash to the lawn. Then we would tell her "go Potty" and when she did we would praise her and pet her and say "good girl go potty outside"--we were told it was very important to have her on a leash so she would understand this was a behaivor she needed to learn; she wasn't just outside to play. And it is very important to give them lots of praise in a high voice and pet them--basically act like a "loony" said our instructor, so that they see their behaivor is pleasing to you. Then after the potty break, put them back in the crate for an hour and begin again. Basically every hour water, take the puppy outside, then back in the crate. In one week or less, they should get it. Also if they do go inside your house, and you can catch them in the act, grab them mid- stream and take them outside to go potty. ***Vinegar works really well to take up the urine in the house. It will remove the smell, so the dog does not repeat wetting in the same spot*** Oh, and make sure you cut off the water a couple of hours before bedtime, our their little puppy bladders may not make it until morning in their crates. I couldn't resist link to a pic of our Saint (and her little sister) today: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/PrincessJenny/martyandlappysnoozinonthecouch.jpg The one on the left is Marivel (Marty) she is a rough coat ---her little smooth coat sister on the right is Laptop (Lappy)  HTH! And congrats on your new fur-baby  Jen |
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From: DorothyL
Date: 06-13-2005, 03:07 PM (7 of 17)
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My dog -- almost two years old -- has started pooping on the floor when I leave her alone. She doesn't do it if my husband leaves her after I am gone or if we go together. Just if I leave her. I've taken to showing her the squirt bottle (she hates it) and saying poop and a treat saying no poop. She understands, and it worked for a while but now it is a matter of her being stubborn and showing me who is boss. In New York we left her at my daughters house for about 8 hours -- no poop but this morning I had her out then left her alone for about 10 minutes while I walked to the bank --POOP. And she knows if we walk away we won't be gone long but if we take the car it will be longer. She is smart and stubborn and has this thing for me right now. I gotta find a way to break it. My husband thinks its funny. Dorothy |
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From: blessedmommyuv3
Date: 06-13-2005, 03:15 PM (8 of 17)
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Sounds like she is being a real STINKER literally - lol! My only suggestion would be to crate her or put her in a fenced yard if you can do so safely when you go out for short periods of time. My cousin has a jack russell terrier with a very similar personality. Some dogs just have really assertive personalities. |
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From: carman
Date: 06-13-2005, 06:32 PM (9 of 17)
your puppy is only 4 weeks, how come they allowed you take it soooooooo young? we are picking up our new puppy on the 20th, he would have been ready the 14th (8 weeks) but i am not home that week end and i didn't want hubby dealing with the baby  with our other 2 we NEVER did the paper training, it was straight to the back door the first day. for this one we have been told a great trick and i hope it works: tie a bell to door handle and make sure its his height, and EVERY time you put him outside, you make him hit the bell and say "pee time" or what ever your command is going to be. they say in 3 days the dog will trained, but one should start it the day they come home. someone said that is how they train the cnib dogs or other medical assistant dogs. 4 weeks mary? remember he has a teacup bladder at this point too 
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From: plrlegal
Date: 06-13-2005, 08:39 PM (10 of 17)
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Dorothy we had the same problem with our little girl when we first brought her home from the foster home. She was completely house broken (leash trained) but she decided she didn't like her new home and decided it was okay to use the floor. We borrowed a crate from a woman I work with and kept it for 2 weeks. Everytime she went potty on the floor she had her nose rubbed in it was put outside and then brought back in to spend time in the crate. We only had to crate her 3 times and she has not gone in the house since then no matter how long she's left alone. However, DH and I try to be very punctual with coming on after work and walking our little girl. She won't use the bathroom unless she is walked on her leash twice a day. Patsy Patsy
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From: ittycritters
Date: 06-14-2005, 04:02 AM (11 of 17)
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Hello Mary, I had a Shih-Tzu for years and she was a wonderful dog... however.... THEY ARE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO HOUSE BREAK! And this is not only form experience, but from the breeders and trainers as well as other owners, and now form me to you... goodness i hope you have a lot of paper towels in your house! But really... I used puppy pads and the whole "Potty" thing... as someone suggested doing, and it did the best, as well as constant rewarding for doing well and just sort of putting her on the pad when she didn't get there. Tzu's are very sensitive dogs and if you scold them too harshley they just tend to start "hiding" their accident. they may do that anyway! Phoebe ( my dog) did every so often, even when she was older. The accidents get farther apart, but with tzu's sometimes they do not go away completely. Now I didn't read all the way down the post, but I must say... Did you breed the dog? Oe month a very young to be away from momma... or to really try the potty training thing. I guess the earlier the better... but don't expect any miracles, most don't start house-breaking their dog's until 6 weeks, the normal time to come home form a breeder! Crate training works well, but with Tzu's not so much as they are very people oriented dogs and they tend to just get stressed and pee all over themselves, no matter how close quarters they are in.... ( trust me ... I tried it! ) Also ... Routine!!!! At the age of 6 weeks they can hold their bladder for as many hours... but don't make the little angel do that... please! every hour... less time if at all possible until she gets it! and always say "Potty" and give her a treat, like it's a trick... that helped out a lot too! Now that I have taken up half of the forum rambling... I hope that this helps! Good luck and have fun! buy a good brush and find an excellent groomer, 30 minutes a day grooming and monthly trips to the groomer for a very thourough cleaning, bathes weekly and lots of love... or, cut the hair!!!  ~Krys Just when I thought it was over....
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From: ittycritters
Date: 06-14-2005, 04:06 AM (12 of 17)
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One more thing, At 4 weeks of age you should contact your vet and see if you can get some dog milk replacer, and give it to the pup for another week, as small as they are you do not want the growth to be stunted from being weened too early... they need mama's milk until 5 weeks, then canned puppy food and then wet dry and then and only then normal dry food at about 8 weeks... You have got your hands full... Good Luck! ~Krys Just when I thought it was over....
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From: MaryW
Date: 06-14-2005, 08:20 AM (13 of 17)
He has pablum and milk 3 times a day. If we hadn't taken him, they were going to leave him at the pet store. He has only been here a week so I know I am just getting frustrated.  I will keep trying.
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From: carman
Date: 06-14-2005, 09:18 AM (14 of 17)
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that sound just tooooo funny, did yo ever think that you would be buying pablum for a dog
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From: MaryW
Date: 06-14-2005, 09:52 AM (15 of 17)
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No, and I gotta say I am not too crazy on doing it now! He needs his milk and the pablum is easy on his belly until he goes onto regular dog food. I have soft food I mix in with it sometimes. Looks and smells like something the cat threw up but he dives into it every time.
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From: ittycritters
Date: 06-14-2005, 11:08 AM (16 of 17)
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Mary you are a saint... dogs from all over the world will look at you in a new light!!! i can't stand pet shops. ~krys Just when I thought it was over....
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From: skybluepinko2
Date: 06-15-2005, 04:07 PM (17 of 17)
| It sounds like the people you got him from were either a byb (back yard breeder) or a puppy mill. Good for you for taking him from such an environment. Look up puppy mills on a search engine for more information. I would recommend lot's of patience for now, as naturally four week old puppies would be cleaned up after by mom, so he's trying to learn something before his time. He will get it though. I got my little pom baby from a puppy mill rescue that young. I was a foster parent and had to feed it every 2 hours and it used the bathroom ALL THE TIME. It get's better though. At 8 weeks it just overnight seemed to click with her and we never had any problems after that. We got our sheltie at 12 weeks so we only had 2 accidents the whole time we have had him. It's like babies. It's almost impossible for a very young dog to hold it's bladder for any length of time.... but it will get better and will pay off tenfold over time |
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