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From: 1*sewer
Date: 09-09-2005, 03:57 AM (1 of 40)
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I've never sewed a thing in my life, however, I do want to start. A friend recommended that if I am going to sew for the long haul, that I should invest in an industrial machine right away and that way I won't spend a lot of money on buying different machines as time goes on. I've been reading some of the forums regarding sewing machines vs. sergers & whether or not you should purchase them separtely or if you should purchase a serger at all. At this point I just don't know. Before I go out and spend money I would like to know what anyone thinks about what type of machine or machines should a first time sewer buy? Rather than going out to buy a book on different machines I am choosing to ask you all out there who have experience and at some point in your life started sewing for the first time & have good ideas based on what you did or what you would have done. Keep in mind I would like it to be something that would allow me to advance without having to buy something new right away. Thanks So Much! As you see I am just barely scratching the ice on this matter!! |
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From: toadusew
Date: 09-09-2005, 09:25 AM (2 of 40)
In my opinion, if you are just entering the sewing world, an industrial machine is not the way to go because they are designed for speed and use in professional settings. As a beginner, I think this might intimidate you and cause you to be turned off to sewing, and we can't have that!  Sewing is too much fun!I recommend going to several local dealers and also to some websites, as well as asking others (as you have here) to help you decide what you want. First, you need to know what your sewing needs/wants will be and what do you think you will be sewing most--garments, home dec, crafts, or a combination? Also, do you think you might ever want to do some machine embroidery? That's a whole other world and tons of fun as well! I highly recommend the Janome brand of sewing machine--they have bottom of the line mechanical all the way to the top of the line computerized with lots of whistles and bells (and tons of fun  ). You can check out what they have on their website. Another good brand is Husqvarna/Viking, then there's Pfaff, Bernina , Babylock. It would be better for you if you can go to some local reliable dealers in your area and "test drive" some sewing machines. That way you'll know which machine you can "bond" with the best. You really do want a sewing machine that is right for you so that you don't get too frustrated and give up on sewing too early in the process. Since you have never done any sewing, I would also recommend taking some basic sewing classes, if available in your area. If that's not an option, then I would get some good how to (sew) books and/or some videos/DVDs. Most of all you want to get a good machine, get some fabric, thread, etc, and then play. You will learn--many of us are mostly self taught. There are a couple of great books--one is Reader's Digest Complete Guide to Sewing (I've heard that the older books--instead of the updated version--might be a bit better.) Sandra Betzina also has some great books out--I highly recommend More Fabric Savvy to help with the correct needle to use for particular fabrics, etc. Another Betzina book is Power Sewing Step By Step. Now I have probably overwhelmed you with info--so--first step is to find a sewing machine that is right for you, second step (maybe)--purchase the Reader's Digest book (it has lots of great info in it!), third step--play, play and Happy Sewing! 
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From: toadusew
Date: 09-09-2005, 09:29 AM (3 of 40)
I also should have said that when I first started sewing, I bought a bottom of the line mechanical Babylock. It served its purpose well, but it wasn't long before I was hooked and needed an upgraded machine. My advice is to start with a mid line sewing machine and then upgrade later if you want. 
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From: Pudge99
Date: 09-09-2005, 11:22 AM (4 of 40)
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I learned on a treadle machine. Then moved up to a 70's model Singer. What I always suggest to people who want to learn is, go to a yardsale and pick up an older model. They generally sew well and aren't filled with all kinds of bells and whistles to confuse you. Plus they don't cost much.
Gina
Pictures of my successes and failures Pfaff 2040 Janome Mylock 134D Singer Futura CE-100 w/ Autopunch Husqvarna Viking 3D Sketch |
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From: 1*sewer
Date: 09-09-2005, 02:38 PM (5 of 40)
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Thank you so much for taking the time and responding. The information you both (toadusew & Pudge99) gave me is a big help and it will allow me to take a well informed first baby step in this new world of sewing. If time permits today, I am going to try and find a local store in my area where I can go look and try one for the very first time. Can't wait!! I am also going to try to find those books and search the web for classes in my area. Thanks Again!
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User: 1*sewer
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From: wp88
Date: 09-09-2005, 02:48 PM (6 of 40)
| Being a man who had never sewn I bought a cheap basic machine first but quickly found I needed more things, threader top loading bobbin etc so bought a basic Pfaff which is not expensive but brilliant; so a mid price machine will set you off for quite some time before you find the things you want in a machine. |
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From: paroper
Date: 09-09-2005, 06:25 PM (7 of 40)
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Don't forget to check the Bernina machines too. Starting around $699 they have a lovely line of machines. They have some lower ones that are good too but they are made by Janome. The machines are fine, but the stitch isn't as nice. The rotary hook system in the middle and low end Bernina-made machines makes a lovely stitch...one of the best sewing stitches around. They are not really known for their decorative stitches though. They are rugged basic machines that will take a lot of abuse. That is why many schools and colleges now use them in classes. There are many other great machines out there. If you are looking for decorative stitches, the Pfaff machines are nice and often have lovely built in stitches. Janome is being brought in as a sub-contractor for some of the machine companies (like Bernina) and they are making a decent machine...up to a very nice machine. Brother and Baby Lock are related companies that have been in business a long time and in the past have sub contracted a lot of machines for other companies. There are a lot of other companies out there Husky and Viking and of course, Singer. I understand that the Singer company is coming back into their own now and that the machines have improved dramatically over the last few years. You won't be able to mention a company that doesn't have a loyal following. Do a lot of reading so that you won't be "fast talked" into a machine. If you have a friend who sews, take them with you! This could be a fun time. Each company has at least one feature that they are known for. Keep a chart of the machines in your price range (decide on that long before you leave the house.) NEVER buy before you've seen several different brands of machines...it is like buying a car...and the sales people can be just as good...trust me on this. ALWAYS walk away. AT least get a cup of coffee and cool down before you go back and purchase, even if you are sure. Decide what you plan to do with that machine before you walk in the door. Do you plan to quilt? Make Clothes? Embroider? Do home decorating? Crafting? Or any combination and how much of each. For me it is about 50% clothing, 30% embroidery, 15% home dec and 5% crafts. I don't quilt. Think about this seriously because it will help determine what type of machine you need. A lot of people like machines with a lot of metal parts because they wear better than plastic or nylon. An easy way to tell if the machine has a lot of metal in it is to pick it up! You won't even have to ask how much is in there. It goes without saying that metal feet and bobbins will last longer than plastic. That is also a consideration when purchasing. There are some feet that you won't use often and the plastic will be fine but you'll want metal feet for most of your parts. For one thing, over years, you may not be able to replace broken or lost feet if your company should phase out the machine (depending on the support of the company you purchase from.) I hope you have a wonderful time shopping for your machine! Be sure and tell us what you purchase!!! pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
User: paroper
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From: 1*sewer
Date: 09-10-2005, 05:24 PM (8 of 40)
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You all have given me great information. So far I haven't purchased a machine or gone out to the store. The only thing that I have purchased is the Reader's Digest Complete Guide To Sewing which has sparked more of an interest in sewing for me and more of an appreciation of the skill required and I haven't even begun yet! Although I have been searching the web and looking at the various machines that you all have mentioned, the thing that is becoming more apparent is that there are too many.  I must go to a shop and "test drive" as you all have said. No ebay for this one!! I've also decided that most of my sewing time will be spent on clothing. I am also interested in embroidery and home decor & maybe quilting (I must explore quilting a little more first) but I am not sure of how much of each just yet. So now that I have ideas about what I want to do and have resisted the impulse of just to buy one, at this time I will take your advice of printing up info on machines that are in my price range and then I will go to the store for hands on. Would you say that a good mid-line machine would run me between $500-$700 or am I completely off?Thanks again for your time in responding! 
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From: paroper
Date: 09-10-2005, 05:46 PM (9 of 40)
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I think that you could find a wonderful sewing machine for that price. If I were you, I'd concentrate my money in getting a sewing machine (only) and buying a very nice moderate model. Later, if you decide to get an embroidery machine then I would look for an embroidery only machine. There is the new Marie Osmond model that will come out next month (I think) for 499 including software. No one knows too much about this model. There are models under that with 4x4 stitch fields (not terribly large) and there is a nice Janome embroidery only machine that starts about 1000 with a 5X7 stitch field (good moderate size.) The one thing about embroidery is that once you get started no field is big enough. The machines that do both are considerably more and almost everyone outgrows the embroidery side quickly. Sooooo....if you concentrate on the sewing side right now and buy a good solid machine, you can purchase a good embroidery only machine later and trade that one up (for less value loss) as you decide you need more. Once you cross the threshold of embroidery, the machine is only a small fraction of the cost (believe me). I think you'll really enjoy sewing and it represents a much smaller investment. It is about 95% logic, 5%skill, and 100% fun!!!! pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
User: paroper
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From: toadusew
Date: 09-10-2005, 07:54 PM (10 of 40)
I agree that you can get a nice machine for $500-$700--that is usually what I see mid-line machines running. If you are also interested in machine embroidery, I might suggest going ahead and getting a mid-line sewing/embroidery machine just to learn the basics.  Of course, there are some very good embroidery only machines out there. Again, this depends on your sewing needs (and wants) at the moment. For me, I enjoy having the sewing/embroidery machine in one--but others prefer having two machines--one for sewing and one for embroidery only. I haven't tried the embroidery only Janome, but I thought I had read where it didn't have quite the same capability as the Janome sewing/embroidery combo, but I might be wrong. Anybody know the answer to this one? Once you get hooked on machine embroidery--and you will--you will want all the hoops. The Janome has a Giga Hoop (I don' really know the size, other than it's larger than the basic) that is quite fun, but you have to sew one side and then turn it around to sew the other side. Lots of fun, though! Pam is right--you'll always want a larger sewing field for the embroidery! You just basically have to do what is right for you. That Reader's Digest book has helped me many times--I think that is a very good investment! You can also check out some of Sandra Betzina's books on her website and I think her DVD's/videos explain a lot of common sewing techinques. I learned tons from her show on HGTV when it was on! The bottom line is that for you, you may want to do as Pam suggested and concentrate on sewing first or you may want to get the combo machine--it is what fits your needs best and once you research and do some "test driving" you will discover which machine fits you best and you'll bond with it--you will love sewing! Pam's right--it's 100% fun!!
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User: toadusew
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From: 1*sewer
Date: 09-11-2005, 01:26 AM (11 of 40)
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I've been pulling up info on the sewing machines in my price range & one question comes to mind. Do you all find that the computerized are better than the mechanical machines in performance & which are the easiest for repairs? I am asking you because I beleive that a sales person would tell me whatever it takes to sell.
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From: bridesmom
Date: 09-11-2005, 06:20 AM (12 of 40)
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I've got an older Pfaff that I totally adore that has some embroidery functions to it, it was my mom's so its a keeper for now. When I went looking for a serger, I looked at the computerized ones, and decided that for me, it wasn't worth the extra money -- yet. I highly recommend test driving a machine. Any worthwhile store will let you test drive to your hearts content, and if they don't then they really don't want your business. There's nothing wrong with a good used machine. My first serger was a $200 used old old Riccar, after a month I realized I really wanted a good one, and then I took my time, researched, test drove my Janome twice before I decided on it. And I sold my old serger for the same price as I bought it. You can always upgrade later on. Pam's got some great suggestions - as always!
Laura
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From: paroper
Date: 09-11-2005, 06:40 AM (13 of 40)
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Most NEW machines are computerized..at least to an extent. Bernina has only one mechanical model. It is the 1000 (something) model. In order to get most of the "fancy" stitches you almost have to go computerized. There are some machines on the market that are called electronic. I'm not quite sure what that means. If you think that you might like a mechanical machine you might want to look at older models. There are some wonderful older machines out there. I'm not sure that I would purchase an older singer unless you went to one manufactored before the 60's. There were a lot of promblems starting with the Touch and Sew machines. (At least I never sewed on a Touch and Sew that didn't have some problems I sewed on a mess of different machines and they were all pretty new...several different models.) Singer wasn't so reliable for several years after that. I understand the new Singers are nice and I knew several people that are quite pleased with their new Singers. The old Featherweight Singer (black model) is a mainstay in the quilting circles and highly prized. My 1901 hand crank is an absolute jewel. All embroidery machines are computerized. I've had my 1530 (computerized) since Oct, 1992 and I've never had any problems or even needed an adjustment. I mean zero, zip...it has been extreamly reliable! The parts are still on the market except for the mother board. I've been told that if my mother board goes bad, they'll pull it and send it to the factory to be rebuilt. I did have a friend who had a Pfaff a little older than mine. Both machines had been used as professional sewing machines although mine was used full-time and hers was used part-time. She lost her mother board a few years ago but it was rebuilt in just a short time. (Unfortunately, it was while she was getting ready for her daughter's wedding.) I saw the insides of my 200 the other day. It didn't look all that complicated, but had some "plug in" parts and boards. The 200 is a Windows machine so I actually expected it to have more parts. The main thing that I think you have to be aware of is that you will want to purchase a major brand to make sure that you can get parts for your new machine in years down the road. pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
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From: paroper
Date: 09-11-2005, 06:50 AM (14 of 40)
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PS Just because a machine is older, don't make the mistake of thinking that it isn't necessarily computerized. Computers componets have been in machines for a number of years now. Just keep in mind that if it has a whole LOT of stitches, it is likely to have computer componets or be "electronic" and if it embroiders, it is going to be computerized. We've been using computer enhanced electronics for almost everything around the house for decades. My Pfaff 1475 (also purchased in 1992) was computerized and the one before it was heavily comnputerized (that's the one my friend had)...I don't know how far back they go.
pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
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From: LadySloPokes
Date: 09-12-2005, 08:47 AM (15 of 40)
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Welcome 1*Sewer... I thought I'd just jump in here with my 2 cents worth about getting a new sewing machine. I was re-introduced to sewing last September with the gift of an inherited Singer Serger. It's an older one, 3 thread, but works like a jewel. I pulled out my old Singer Fashion Mate 257, and began a new chapter of relearning how to sew. My machine was one of the first zig-zag machines on the market back in the 70's (gift from my dad) and it had all of 5 different stitches-one straight and 4 zig-zag! I realized that if I really wanted to make good items I would need a newer machine with more options. I started looking around, both online and at different stores, to get an idea of prices and options. I decided on the Singer Quantum Decor, model #7233. This machine, IMHO, is probably the best beginner machine I saw. Super simple machine threading, bobbin winding and loading, 22 different stitch selections (12 for standard fabrics, 12 for knit/stretch fabrics), 4 step button hole maker, drop down feed dogs, plus it came with 10 bonus presser feet inlcuding a zipper foot! My local Singer dealer also throws in free lessons on how to use your machine with your purchase, and there's no limit on how many lessons you need. "Santa" got me my machine for Christmas, and I'm loving every stitch it makes! I had wanted a machine that would allow me a few extra options as I got better at sewing and to allow me to become a little more creative as time went on. It was very reasonably priced ($399) for a mid-line machine. Regrettably, Singer has now discontinued my beloved little machine inspite of the fact that, according to several Singer people I've spoken with, it was the best work horse in its line. The model above it, #7355, wasn't holding up as well as mine was, and one Singer tech told me it even did quilting better that its big brother! I viewed the purchase of a sewing machine as a long term investment, so I wanted to be sure that the machine I picked would outlive me and give me the options I wanted for future sewing. I know I have gotten my moneys-worth, and I couldn't be happier with it. I don't think I'll ever need to purchase another machine--unless someone I know and love wants me to make him embroidered appliques! 
Cookie
LadySlo...yes am I, but hey, I'm gettin' there! Are you sure it's supposed to look like this?! Proud owner of Singer Quantum Decor 7322 & Singer Quantum Futura CE 200.. "A balanced diet is having chocolate in both hands!" |
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From: 1*sewer
Date: 09-13-2005, 02:43 PM (16 of 40)
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Well, yesterday I went out and test drove two machines for the very first time! I even stitched my first buttonhole! Yeah!! The two machines that I took for a spin were the Viking Platinum 730 and the Babylock Decorator's Choice. The cost of these machine were $899 and $799 respectively. I know this was a little out of the price range that I wanted to spend, but, I just had to look! Now they both were great machines, but, I liked the Babylock better. The Babylock seemed to be more user friendly, have a tighter stitch, easier auto threading, auto thread scissors for the top and bottom threads, the 5/8" marker (although the lady from viking did say that this could be ordered), it had more stitches etc. I don't know it just seemed that the babylock offered more and for a lesser price although the viking did come with a quilter's kit. Then I started to think.  Why did I have to do that?! I began to think that since I am a wife and mother of a toddler and Lord willing another to come, why not get one with the embroidery option so that I can embroider those itsy-bitsy clothes! Afterall, the babylock ellure is only $200 more and you know you can't buy a good embroidery machine for only $200. That's how I tried to justify it! Then I had another thought. Well, since I know how to draw, why not get one where I could design my own embroidery! In the end, Pam I did just what you said do. I walked out and thought about it! Aren't you all proud?! So, now I am back to the computer looking at those machines that have those capabilities, however, they aren't giving the prices. Does anyone out there have an idea of the prices? I know that they are going to be expensive. Maybe the prices will bring me back down to reality. Earth to 1*sewer! Thanks againg for all of your help! You all have been very kind to me!
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From: paroper
Date: 09-13-2005, 04:31 PM (17 of 40)
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Good job! Backing away gives you time to think with a clear head. It is so easy to get caught up in the moment. You're ready to go again! A lot of the machines don't price online. Even if they did, the dealers sometimes give enormous discounts (others none) so it is only a ballpark of what the cost might be. Good luck in your search! I know that you'll find the perfect machine. Don't forget that sometimes you can find some well-loved second hand machines through dealers who may be getting trade ins as the models are changing right now. Many times dealers will service the machines, sell them and offer an in-house warrenty with machines that they have serviced and know. There are also some good values out there to be found because of the model changes!
pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
User: paroper
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From: cjzimm
Date: 09-13-2005, 10:10 PM (18 of 40)
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I am definitely a sewing machine junkie so I have tried and own all sorts, including the high end Viking Designer II which I do love. However, for a basic starter I'm with the lady that checks the garage sales or goodwill shops. Excellent finds from the sewer that unfortunately had to retire to the nursing home and had no one to leave her beloved machine too. If your friend that has been getting you involved with this idea can give the support beginner lessons, then the older basic machine will be worth it to see if you really enjoy it and want to put out $500 to $3000 later. I use 2 machines and the serger all the time. Embroidery takes a while and you just end up watching it and changing thread colors. You will eventually need both the machine and serger, than maybe upgrade to the embroidery machine. Even Kenmore has a nice embroidery machine. I also have a high end Serger and was extremely sorry I sold my old Singer 14U64A to a friend, however I am currently trying to get one back on the old ebay auction this week. The serger started out at $10.00 and is only up to $13.00. The shipping will be the pain. Even if I have to pay $50 to service it, it will well be worth it. I intend to have one again!!! Have fun and go play at several dealers and don't forget the old "Sew and Vac" repair guys, they usually have some gems sitting on a back shelf and will be happy to get it off the shelf. CJ the machine junkie (I think I have 14 machines, just a little nuts, the oldies are so beautiful!) |
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From: SandyGirl
Date: 09-16-2005, 07:50 AM (19 of 40)
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Having just gone through the process of choosing a new machine to replace my 7'th Grade (1970..something!) Singer, I was amazed at all of the options and floored by the embroidery option/price. I would really stick to your price range and test drive machines. Also, check the manufacturer websites for comparisons. Frankly, sit down in front of the machine and give it a test drive. Don't let the dealer "show you" as so many tend to want to do. YOU are going to sew on it! I looked for smooth stitching, quiet operation, ease of use, features, etc. Many fit this criteria, just keep your goals (write them down) in mind and don't let anyone (dealers, etc) oversell you. You are a beginner, get a decent mid-range machine....they have plenty of options for you! If you are looking at "used" machines from a dealer, contact the manufacturer directly via their website and ASK THEM if the warranty transfers to the new owner. Brother Dealer assured me that she would honor the warranty by using the original owner's name for any claims....NOT! I want the warranty to be for ME......non-transferable warranty was the official reply from the Brother websit. They did email a quick reply. I ended up with a new Janome....Keep us posted on what you end up with! |
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From: toadusew
Date: 09-16-2005, 09:37 AM (20 of 40)
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Yes, definitely let us know which machine you end up purchasing!
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From: debsews
Date: 09-17-2005, 11:27 AM (21 of 40)
| I haven't been sewing all that long either and just happened to find a used 330 Viking machine. It as a manual select model and I used it for about a year and then upgraded to a #1 plus sewing/embrodiery machine. I don't recommend this model for embrodiery but it is a great sewing machine. You can test drive all the models at the store and then look on ebay for the machine you want. However if the store offers free classes you have to usually buy from them. You'll need to determine how much that means to you in terms of what you want to sew. I find that other sewing classes usually offer more. The store will show you how to use the machine but unless you've never used on before you can figure out most things. Also viking has a web site that shows you how to do things by video step by step and that is great for visual people! All that being said I think computerized where the machine chooses the best settings for you is the way to go. Much easier to learn to sew that way. Takes all the guess work out of some things. Good luck. It's been fun! |
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From: Teri
Date: 09-17-2005, 11:10 PM (22 of 40)
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Hi and welcome, You should know in advance how much you can afford, what you want to use it for, and who will do the maintence, then look at your options. It's very much like buying a car. If you have a really good chevy mechanic in your neighborhood and they have a car you like and can afford, why buy a different model? I like older machines, but I do my own maintence and minor repair work. Many towns only have one or two places that sell and service sewing machines. I agree wholeheartly that you should not get an industrial machine. For one thing where would you put it? You need to have a large sewing room for one of these machines. I would also stay away from an embroidery machine as you have lots to learn before you get into this area. If I were you I would get a nice machine with some built-in stitches, a free arm and a service warrenty. Don't bite off more than you can chew, but don't buy a cheapie either. Good luck, stick with it and remember we were all new at sewing at some point. Teri
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From: 1*sewer
Date: 09-19-2005, 11:48 PM (23 of 40)
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Hello everyone it's me again! Thanks so much for all of the advice! Currently, I am still in the valley of decision and have resisted the urge to buy. With a little more time and a little more thought (plus with looking at the pricetags on the very good sew + embroidery machines just on ebay) I have decided that I should slow down and purchase a sew-only machine and venture into the other stuff later. I've been checking e-bay for sew-only and they have some pretty good bargains, however, I can not get over not having a warranty and the skepticism of not getting a good machine although I'm sure there's probably some good ones out there. I am also battling with the thought of just sticking with the "work-horses" of the sewing machines such as Viking and Bernina for the simple fact of longevity and durability and I hear they sew through almost anything. In addition, Viking has the trade-up program and they are close to me. But, the down side about Bernina is there are no local dealers here, it's quite a drive down the freeway. Although I did like the Babylock Decorator's Choice, the dealer doesn't have a trade-up program but the people there are very friendly and have been very nice to me just as you all have and I know that dealer-client relationship is very important also. Well as of now I am still looking into the matter because I want to be very happy with what I buy especially since this isn't a cheap investment. You know I did have a question for anyone who can answer: Do I really need all of those decorative stitches? As I have seen this can make a very big difference in the prices out there. Also, I've been looking at the Viking Platinum 730 and the Viking Platinum 770 (major price difference  and this is why I like the trade-up program). Does anyone use or know anything about these machines, good or bad? Also, for the babylock machine users: Does your machine sew through almost anything and do they last long? I didn't know until further research that I should take my own materials to the dealer to see how the machine works on the softest through the toughest of fabrics. I'm still learning! Thanks so much for all of your help! I mean whoever thought of these forums had a great idea!
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User: 1*sewer
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From: paroper
Date: 09-20-2005, 12:03 AM (24 of 40)
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Congratulations on your restraint! It sounds like you are doing a good job of investigation and I'm sure that you'll find just the right machine for you! Decorative stitches are like everything else, if you need them and will use them...then by all means get them. I have rarely sewn anything with them. I am a primarily garment seamstress...there have been some times when my kids were little that I did a small row of something across the top or bottom. My mother used to do decorative hems on her dish towels (I never did). I do use the blind stitch for hemming (a LOT). I sew buttons on with the zig zag (sometimes). I sometimes use the overlock stitch on fleece blankets (some). I have been known to use a scallop stitch for an edging. Since I used to sew for people I have used the alphabet to put names in the facings of clothing when I've done mass group sewing (but that is normally a higher level decorative stitch...not always avail.) I use the zig zag a little (use the serger now more.) I do use the button hole stitches a lot and I've use the eyelet button hole a lot...it is nice for running ribbon through things (like blouses). I do some occasional applique with the zig zag. I had a machine that had wonderful decorative stitches (a Pfaff). I used it a couple of times to embellish the bottom of a fancy girls' dress...I loved the stitches, but rarely used them. Frankly, most of the stitches I would use would be found on a very low-level sewing machine. pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
User: paroper
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From: toadusew
Date: 09-20-2005, 10:01 AM (25 of 40)
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I was on the Janome website recently and noticed that they have some good sew only machines for really reasonable prices. From my experience, they are also good, reliable machines. Viking is another good brand. I don't know anything about their machines since I own Janome sewing machines, but I do have a Viking serger and love it. I think you are wise to be thinking about a warranty and good reliable dealer support is important, in my opinion. I, too, am mostly a garment sewer, but I have used quite a few of the built in decorative stitches to embellish something. A few years ago, I made a little dress and some pantaloons for a friend's baby girl. The collar was a solid fabric and I used some the built in stitches to embellish it--the fabric of the dress had ducks on it, so I put a row of ducks on the collar. Again, I think this depends on your particular sewing needs. Many machines on the market today have built in decorative stitches, and they can be fun to use! Also remember that some of the utility stitches can be used as decorative stitches as well. It sounds like you're really doing your homework here and will find the machine that is just right for you!
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User: toadusew
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From: LadySloPokes
Date: 09-21-2005, 09:20 AM (26 of 40)
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There are a couple of good Singer internet retailers that have a lot of machines for sale on E-Bay. I did some checking myself this morning (one of them still had lots of my machine in stock 2 weeks ago) only to find it was now gone. However, I found another one that looks like a very good bargain for what you get. This Singer appears to be to 2-3 models higher than my Quantum Decor 7233. Check it out and see what you think. Remember that Singer provides a 25 year limited warranty on their machines. The warranty is listed in detail on the product listing. Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Singer-Sewing-Machine-Model-7462-Sew-Quilt-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ8220431892QQcategoryZ28166QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem Good Luck in your continuing search!
Cookie
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From: LeapFrog Libby
Date: 09-21-2005, 06:23 PM (27 of 40)
Decorative stitching in same color as fabric is still very popular.. Has been for a couple of years now.. I do that a lot with my machine stitches on my Janome.. Really gives a plain blouse an elegant look, I think.. And you see jeans all the time with decorative stitches from the knees down on the legs.. or right under the pocket areas ..These are the touches that add so much style to hand made garments.. ( I hate the word homemade).. 
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From: 1*sewer
Date: 09-24-2005, 12:47 AM (28 of 40)
Thanks so much for all the input! At this time, I am really starting to realize there is so much available, but, everything that you think you may want isn't necessarily on one sewing machine. That's what makes this decision so very hard especially for someone who is just starting and haven't sewn anything but one buttonhole! I haven't had much time to go and test drive any other machines such as the singers, berninas, janomes etc because of various reasons, my two year old being one of them  I think maybe this week things will settle down and I will get a chance to go out on my own and leave him home with dad. I did look at the link with the singer that you posted LadySloPokes (thankyou)and it seemed like a good machine for a reasonable price. However, I did notice that there wasn't any adjustable foot pressure and I think that is something that I definitely will want. But, I haven't ruled the singers out. I still would need to go to a Singer dealer and take one for a spin. But, I have read that Singer isn't making their newer machines to meet the customer's satisfaction like they used to. What is your opinion based on your experience? You know I was also reading a post in another forum and there was this sewing teacher who said that the Kenmore 166221 was a nice place to start. When I went to sears, I looked at the 16231 which was one up from that and on sale for $249.99 (reg. $349.99) untill tomarrow and only offers a 90 day warranty with the option to buy an additional 2 years for $30. She said that it was pretty durable and can sew through almost anything in her experience with it. But, I couldn't test the machine out at sears. But I was thinking maybe I should get this just so I can see what features I like, don't like, or may want. On the other hand, I can't get over maybe growing out of it too fast and regretting that I didn't use that $250 plus tax towards a higher end machine. As a result, I didn't purchase this either because I know that this is just like buying a car. That's why I really would like to go with a dealer that offers a trade up program, but, the only one that I have been able to find with that is Viking. Although Viking is a good machine, I kind of want to be able to have more options also. I guess the only alternative to the trade up program is once I decide to get another one I would sell mine on ebay! Maybe. Do you all ever get attached to your first sewing machine? I'm having second thoughts about giving mine up and I haven't purchased one yet. Maybe I won't need the trade up program afterall.BUT!!! The search is still on!!! Note: I didn't know that the embellishments on the newer style jeans were decorative stiches alone. I thought that I would need an embroidery machine to do that. That's good to know! Thanks Much!! But, like Pam I think that I would love to have them, but how much I would use them remain to be seen! I guess I better look for a machine with a couple that I know that I would use for sure and the rest would just be extra perks! I really want to let you all know that I truly appreciate all the help!!
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User: 1*sewer
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From: toadusew
Date: 09-24-2005, 08:35 PM (29 of 40)
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Do any of us get attached to our first sewing machines? I still have mine--that should give you a clue! I don't really use it anymore, but it is a good machine and when I taught sewing, I used it to teach with --it's just a basic mechanical machine. It didn't take me long to get a computerized machine, though! Actually, when I did get a computerized machine, I felt guilty and like I was rejecting my first "baby". You say you haven't really done much sewing, but you're already talking like a pro because you're thinking of eventually having more than one machine.--many of us have several machines--just ask! I have three machines and 2 sergers--two computerized Janomes, the mechanical Babylock, one Husqvarna/Viking serger and an older model Janome serger. I don't use the Babylock sewing machine or the Janome serger right now---but I can't quite bear to part with them either.Good luck in your continued search |
User: toadusew
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From: MartySews
Date: 09-24-2005, 09:53 PM (30 of 40)
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Decorative stitches are very nice for adding embellishment to plain garments. I like to use decorative stitches for understitching garments and for sewing lingerie, pillowcases, sheets, and guest towels. It's also fun to add embellishment to fleece hats and scarves. Since you have a 2 yr old you may want to add some fun stitches on his clothing or monogram his initials. My DH likes his collars and cuffs monogrammed. Babylock is owned by Tacony corporation. Kenmore machines are made by Janome. While there may be a 25 yr limited warranty offered by Sears, that doesn't mean that the parts will be there down the road. Before my 25 yr warranty expired, I could not get parts for my Kenmore machine so don't base your machine purchase on just that feature. Most authorized dealers will take trade-in's when one trades up. The amount given depends upon the dealer. In my opinion, one should purchase the machine that "feels right" when you test drive it. Only you will know what that feels like. You may look at some previously owned machines. One usually can get a good warranty as well as lessons when you purchase from a dealer. This is a big plus. Dealer relationships can be a very positive experience if not pressured into buying the most expensive item. Good luck on your search. Happy Stitching! It takes one moment to change a life.
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From: LadySloPokes
Date: 09-26-2005, 10:35 AM (31 of 40)
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thank you for looking at my post-I'm plesed to have been able to help and give you some feedback. I learned to sew on an old Singer machine that belonged to my grandmother that was handed down to my mom. When I graduated from high school, my dad got me a brand new Singer Fashion Mate 257, one of the first zig-zag machines sold publicly (yes, I'm getting older!). It had all of 5 stitches-one straight and 4 different size zig-zags! It didn't do buttonholes, no zipper foot, no adjustable feed dogs, Nothing! but it sewed cotton fabrics like a dream. I still have it and am going to have it serviced and pass it down to my daughter for Christmas this year. I am one of those people that likes to stick with a brand name that I have had good experiences with. Hence my love of Singer machines. I'm very much like you-I didn't sew for 30 years until last year when I started teaching myself how to do it all over again. My beloved fiancee got me my new Singer machine for Christmas after I test drove several machines myself to see what would work for me. I'm too far away from doing any embroidery work, but quilting is not too far off as I'm interested in starting that after the holidays. I am not a typical sewer when it comes to certain things-I love to use the decorative stitches on my machine when I'm making table runners, placements and cafe curtains. I'll also use contrasting thread colors on the table decor items to add a touch of color and design to them. I do have an authorized Singer dealer in my area (where we purchased my machine) that offers free lessons on how to use your machine when you buy it from them, as well as a trade-up program. My machine retailed for $399, and has all the bells and whisltes on it that I'll need for years to come. I hope that you'll be able to find the right machine for you, and will be as happy with it as I am with mine. Good Luck!!
Cookie
LadySlo...yes am I, but hey, I'm gettin' there! Are you sure it's supposed to look like this?! Proud owner of Singer Quantum Decor 7322 & Singer Quantum Futura CE 200.. "A balanced diet is having chocolate in both hands!" |
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From: 1*sewer
Date: 09-26-2005, 11:30 PM (32 of 40)
Hello everyone out there! I went out to the dealers again today and looked at the Pfaff and back to the Viking store. The Pfaff 2056 was very very very nice, but, the pricetag of $2499 took my breath away. This is the top of the line for sew-only machines for Pfaff which happen to have everything that I would want that wasn't on the lower end machines. At this time the Viking top of the line for sewing Platinum 770 ($1599 new or $1399 used) or Bernina Virtuosa 155 ($1799 used) sounds a lot better even though the price is still hefty. It is so hard to stay in the price range that I want to stay in especially on these big name brands.  I looked at a Brother NX-200 ($499), Brother NX-400 ($899), and Brother NX-600 ($999) these were also good too which offered alot of bells and whistles for a cheaper price. You know what the problem is for me? Because I haven't sewn too much of anything there's no way to tell what it is that "I" like! At this point I like everything that I could sew anything on! However, I do know what is supposedly "top of the line" and that is what I find myself leaning towards because it's safe. I don't know what to do. I think I'm just going to pray and buy something.The fair is here and so there are going to be vendors there from the various sewing machine companies. For example Babylock, Janome, Singer, Pfaff, Viking, Brother, Bernina and the list goes on. The dealers in my area say that they'll price match if it comes out cheaper! Let's hope for that and hope that I'll be happy with my first machine like LadySloPokes said!!! I'm sew crazy right now with no machine!! 
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User: 1*sewer
Member since: 09-09-2005 Total posts: 27 |
From: 1*sewer
Date: 09-30-2005, 12:07 PM (33 of 40)
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Well I went to the fair yesterday and purchased...drum roll please! ....A previously owned Pfaff 7570 sew & embroidery machine with original accessaries and manuals, extra big hoop, 1/4" foot, creative fantasy 1 software, an amazing box with blank card, and full Pfaff warranty and first year free servicing for $2080. Now, I know I said that I was just going to purchase a sew only machine. But, after sitting down and taking it for a spin I just couldn't resist. Plus the dealer is in my area and it was one that I had just visited last week and talked to the instructor who by the way was very very nice. I know you all will be honest with me, so, how did I do? I have seen this on ebay for a little cheaper, however, I am getting a warranty plus dealer support. Any Pfaff 7570 owner's out there? How do you like your machine? Can't wait to start learning my new machine!!!!! |
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Member since: 09-09-2005 Total posts: 27 |
From: toadusew
Date: 09-30-2005, 02:19 PM (34 of 40)
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Congratulations on your purchase! I don't own a Pfaff, so I can't really comment on the machine, although they are supposed to be good ones. Have fun and Happy Sewing!
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User: toadusew
Member since: 01-08-2005 Total posts: 369 |
From: soverysewey
Date: 09-30-2005, 03:16 PM (35 of 40)
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I have a Pfaff 7570 that I purchased used from my dealer last February.I love it!It is a great machine.You will love yours too I am sure.
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User: soverysewey
Member since: 12-19-2003 Total posts: 56 |
From: 1*sewer
Date: 09-30-2005, 04:46 PM (36 of 40)
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Thanks for the support you guys! If you don't mind me asking soverysewey, how much did you pay for yours? Do you think that I got a good deal? As the hours pass, I am starting to have buyer's remorse. Starting to contemplate an exchange. But, I haven't had the chance to bond more with my machine since we came home last night. I need to go out and buy some fabric, thread, etc. I have 30 days to consider and play with it to see how much I really like it. I'm sure that I will like it. I guess I can't help but second guess and ask myself if I really made the right decision.
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User: 1*sewer
Member since: 09-09-2005 Total posts: 27 |
From: paroper
Date: 09-30-2005, 05:43 PM (37 of 40)
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Pfaff owners are very loyal to their machines. I don't think you made a bad decision at ALL!! The dealer support is worth a few dollars...believe me!!! Congratulations!!! I know you'll be thrilled once you really get the fever!!! When I got my new machine I didn't see it demo'd and I had never seen anything that had been embroidered on it....we sat and stared at each other about a month until I could get some training from my dealer. After I had about an hour and a half on the machine I was quite at home...and believe me, it was like driving a Porche after years on a John Deere. The difference was HUGE!!! You'll be right a home in no time!!
pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
User: paroper
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From: soverysewey
Date: 09-30-2005, 07:52 PM (38 of 40)
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I paid $1500 for mine but it came with only the old PCD software and no cable. I had to order a cable online for it.[another $85.00) I only have a one year warranty with mine, which is enough for me as it is used. Mine is a 1997 model. How old is yours? We all go through the second guessing thing. Don't worry you got a great deal with the newer software and the dealer support!That software is pricey. I wish I had it.
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User: soverysewey
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From: 1*sewer
Date: 10-01-2005, 02:04 AM (39 of 40)
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Thank you all so very much for all of the encouragement!! It truly, truly helps! To answer your question soverysewy, I think that I recall the dealer saying that it was about 4 years old. But, you know 4 years could very well mean seven. I am not sure how to find out exactly though. Today I also went to the dealer to buy a wheel tote to carry it to class which is on Oct. 21st. I wish that I didn't have to wait so long, but, they offer so many other classes throughout the month that the days get tied up very quickly. So, in the meantime, I bought some fabric and thread and I'll see how far I can get on my own (with the owner's manual of course) . I think that once I get my first lesson out of the way then I can try to take one of their basic sewing classes etc and keep scheduling to take the other class over and over untill I master it!I guess the blues must be fading!!! I'm feeling a little better. Thanks again you guys! |
User: 1*sewer
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From: LeapFrog Libby
Date: 10-01-2005, 02:09 PM (40 of 40)
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I think the only complaint I have ever heard about a Pfaff is the absence of it when it goes in for a check-up.. Every owner loves their Pfaff.. I do not own one but my sister does and I used it to make her embroidered organza jacket for her Mother-of-the-Bride outfit.. The IDF is worth about a million dollars..Especially when you are doing french seams on an elegant fabric..That fabric was $ 20.00 a yard , I think.. Anyway , I was nervous the whole time, I was handling it.. (the skirt and top also were not cheap fabric) I loved using her machine..
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