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From: ssltd
Date: 12-15-2005, 02:46 PM (1 of 6)
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Hi all- this is my second attempt to post here (after writing a few paragraphs..that disappeared), so bear with me. I'm new to this forum, and have enjoyed the posts, & pictures tremendously. I am sewing my daughters' wedding gown, (that's what I get for sewing for both of my daughters most of their lives, including those 'prom' gowns)  Actually I am excited, but stressed at the same time - Im sure those who have gone before me can relate! And I'm hoping for some insight. First, the pics from Bridesmom were wonderful-great job! And I have a few questions for her or anyone else that can help?.. We are using the exact same Vogue 2717 pattern,but without the organza overlay, extending the train 10" & using a midweight bridal satin-rather like peau. We are altering the back also-adding a split back (which we jokingly call 'the penguin thing'). The bodice, hemline & partially up the front will all be rather extensively beaded. So, here are my questions?: Did you actually use netting as the underlayer for the main gown as the pattern calls for? It seems rather stiff for our satin... About boning......we had to do a bust increase to accommodate her C cup size. The pattern calls for boning only in 4 places of the under-corset layer, none of which are in the princess seams. We already added boning to the midline in front, and in the back for support. Would you suggest boning the princess seams of the corset ? Many of the things I've read have said to not put actual boning up the bust seams, but I'm wondering if this would add more support and since it's buried under all the layers of the corset, wouldn't show or distort the front. And, finally, did you use metal or plastic bonig? I made a muslin of the corset & used plastic for fitting, but I've heard metal boning of the actual bust seams provides better shaping. So how about it, would Bridesmom or anyone else care to add 2c (or more?) Thank you! Sue ~Sue~
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User: ssltd
Member since: 12-14-2005 Total posts: 20 |
From: Scratch 'N Sniff
Date: 12-15-2005, 04:06 PM (2 of 6)
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you'll have to wait for bridesmom about the beading and netting questions, but hopefully i can help with the corset question. I wear a C/D cup and tend to stay away from boning over the bust itself. If your daughter needs more shaping there, you can use a horsehair braid or similar to stiffen it, or you can add a purchased bra cup into the bodice. i haven't seen the pattern, but i prefer boning at least all the seams, including the back if doing a lace-up; not needed for zipper in my experience. you can also add boning channels halfway between the side and back seams, and center front if needed. The plastic boning will give shape but won't prevent buldges. I use metal bones when making corsets because I know I need the support (tummy buldge, love handles, etc). If your daughter is already fairly slim (enough that the 3 or more layers of fabric plus plastic bones will hold her in), then you should be fine. Depending on the width of the channels, you can probably replace the plastic with metal bones after fitting but before finishing. Hope this helps! ~debie
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User: Scratch 'N Sniff
Member since: 01-02-2003 Total posts: 46 |
From: SummersEchos
Date: 12-15-2005, 04:32 PM (3 of 6)
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Hi Sue, Welcome to Sew Whats New. I have no answers for you just wanted to welcome you. You will get lots of help here, just give everyone time to read all the new posts. Summer
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User: SummersEchos
Member since: 09-29-2004 Total posts: 884 |
From: bridesmom
Date: 12-15-2005, 07:18 PM (4 of 6)
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HI Sue! I just came out from underneath all my fabric scraps, threads etc and have just started to read your post. I'm going to go get the pattern and think aboutit for a bit and email you back OK?
Laura
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User: bridesmom
Member since: 01-21-2004 Total posts: 2026 |
From: bridesmom
Date: 12-15-2005, 07:36 PM (5 of 6)
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Sue - yes we did do the single layer of netting under the satin on the dress, it gives it a nice body, otherwise the satin seemed to 'hang'. I used 'bridal' satin, which is a lighter satin than the duchesse, sounds like it may be the same thing you are using. The netting I used was lighter than the craft netting I have seen at the store, but not as fine as the tuille used for veils. boning - I used the plastic boning that is inside a sewable tubing - if that makes sense. It was super easy to put in, you just have to finish off the top and bottom so the boning doesn't poke through. Kim is not big busted, I only boned the areas that the pattern called for and I added boning to the side seams down onto the hips as we found the pattern tended to ride up a bit on the hip area, mostly I think due to the lacing in the back. We did put in light weight bra cups after the lining was put in, as she found once the dress was laced up, she was quite flat and she wanted to have some curve in the front. Because we were lacing up the dress, the plastic boning provided enough support. Can you explain more how you are doing the back? Sounds interesting. I'd suggest a sewn in interfacing on the bodice where you are going to bead. I used some of the organza that was from the overdress - Something very light, but with enough stay power to help hold the beads when you start to bead. Then once the beading is done, that's when I attached the lining of the bodice. That way the beading threads are on the inside and don't catch on anything. Hope this helps, don't be afraid to email me with any more questions, happy to help!! Laura (<email address removed for privacy>) Laura
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User: bridesmom
Member since: 01-21-2004 Total posts: 2026 |
From: ssltd
Date: 12-23-2005, 10:36 AM (6 of 6)
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Hello & many thanks to Laura, Summer & Debi for your helpful input. With your suggestions we are boning & boning & boning This due to the heaviness of the beading that will be done & my daughter thinking if the bodice is really snug underneath, it will help support her top. She feels like she's falling out of the muslin. So more work there... Laura, the additional interfacing of the top of the gown is a great idea, even tho it has the inner corset-lots of beading. But I'm wondering now if I might just as well use some also underneath the whole gown (in addition to the netting), because the rest of the gown will also have lots of beading. I tried to upload some example photos to show the "penguin" back, but they were too large. I'll attempt to shrink them, but I did find the back of a similar dress we are doing & here is the site link. www.davidsbridal.com/bridal_gowns_detail.jsp?stid=2286&prodgroup=10 You can see a little of the beading on the top, but also around the bottom. The front of the gown will also have beading from the hem upward-I found some great stencils to combine for the design, & practiced on a piece of the satin with a white transfer pencil. I'm thinking that I can use the back & side back muslin pieces as a template for the penguin (split back or tulip back is what it's called I believe), and she wants that piece only to close with buttons. If any of you have some thoughts of suggestions about this, they are welcome. Again, thanks for your help ! Merry Christmas to all of you, Sue ~Sue~
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User: ssltd
Member since: 12-14-2005 Total posts: 20 |
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