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From: Dianne Walker
Date: 04-24-2006, 02:36 PM (1 of 12)
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With my Janome 10001 machine I have a large Gigahoop which I have never used but think I am about to have to as I have been asked to do a very large company logo on the back of a fleece. Can anyone give me some advice please? It is a fairly simple logo and I have done it for them onto polo shirts but only the small design. I wonder if iron on stabiliser will be enough and whether it is easy to get it hooped tightly in such a big hoop. Help please if anyone has had any experience of this. I am worried about ruining the fleece and also think it could be expensive in materials if I make a mess of it. Help!!!! Di Dianne
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User: Dianne Walker
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From: paroper
Date: 04-24-2006, 03:28 PM (2 of 12)
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I don't have the Gigahoop. I have the Megahoop by/for the Bernina machines and I have a Giant Hoop it All. I don't usually hoop anything anymore. I hoop all my stabilizers very tight. In the case of the larger hoops, I hoop two layers of stabilizer. When the stabilizer is tight enough you'll be able to bounce a quarter off the hoop. (Good Stabilizer will not stretch). The problem I have with the Megahoop is that it has two thumb screws. I have to be careful that I tighten both about the same amount. If I do not, the hoop doesn't fit correctly and I can't keep the stabilizer tight. Since I don't know about your hoops, this may not be a problem you have. Once my stabilzer is tightly hooped, I very lightly spray the surface with 505 adhesive spray. Then I center my project on the hoop. If I need to reposition the project to get it straight, I lift the WHOLE project and lay it back down straight...scooting will get it off grain or stretch it. Once it is in place I either pin closely around the outside edge...not one or two but many pins right up against each other as to pin baste OR I machine baste around the outside edge. This is crucial. The weight of the garment/project or some types of fabric can cause the fabric to move or shift as you embroider and really mess up the project. If the pins are not close enough together, it can cause the outlines to be off...so this is all very important. I do not usually use a tear away on large projects as it tends to weaken the more it is used. I have used Aquamesh and I have used poly mesh and other types of cut away with no problem. On heavy projects like sweatshirts, I prefer a heavy weight cut away.
pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
User: paroper
Member since: 02-03-2004 Total posts: 3775 |
From: Dianne Walker
Date: 04-24-2006, 03:51 PM (3 of 12)
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Thanks Pam for that very quick and comprehensive reply. The giga hoop has only got one tightener so at least I wont have that problem. I will give it a go on a test piece and see how I get on. I have got some 505 spray but have never tried that yet either so this will be a real learning curve. Here in England I don't seem to have easy access to all the different types of stabiliser that I see you all writing about. At the Janome shop in Derby they say that the iron on they sell will do anything and all types of fabric and just to use two layers if one doesn't seem enough such as for a heavy design. The logo I have to do is not very dense. Do you think it will work if I use one layer and get it tight then spray and baste as you suggest. I am very grateful for your time and help. Thanks very much Di Dianne
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User: Dianne Walker
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From: paroper
Date: 04-24-2006, 04:23 PM (4 of 12)
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If it is a fleece sweatshirt I would use two. If it is like a fleece blanket (not what I am picturing), then one "might" do it...I'd still be inclined to use two. When you cut them loose, cut them one layer at a time..less bulk behind the design, just like grading seams on a garment.
pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
User: paroper
Member since: 02-03-2004 Total posts: 3775 |
From: plrlegal
Date: 04-24-2006, 04:56 PM (5 of 12)
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Pam I'm going to add that if she is going to embroider on fleece, she might also want to use a wash away stabilizer on top of the fleece so the design does not bury itself into the fleece. Patsy Patsy
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User: plrlegal
Member since: 05-19-2001 Total posts: 318 |
From: paroper
Date: 04-25-2006, 05:24 AM (6 of 12)
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good point, thank you.
pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
User: paroper
Member since: 02-03-2004 Total posts: 3775 |
From: Dianne Walker
Date: 04-25-2006, 07:47 AM (7 of 12)
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Thanks you so much for all your help - I think I am on top of all the advice now and will cope with that side of the job but so so sorry - I have yet another problem - how on earth do I split my design so that I can sew it out in the two halves with the Gigahoop? I am totally lost I'm afraid. I designed the logo in Embird but when I try to save it to the Janome Giga hoop it says it can't create as object no1 crosses the boundary and that I must split it. I'm afraid I don't know how to do that. I realise it is done in 2 halves and that you turn the hoop round in the machine for the second half but at this moment I can't get the design in the right format. I don't know but I am beginning to think "I have bitten off more than I can chew" as the saying goes !!!! I have also got the Janome Customizer software where there is Easygigahoop (which is anything but easy!!!) It wont pick up the jef format design. I rang Janome and they have told me to use Paint to halve the design then use EasyGigahoop to save it in the 2 halves for sewing - that again creates a problem as Paint wont open jef format designs either.!!!!! I seem to be going round and round in circles about to tear my hair out !!!! If anyone can possibly shed a little light I will be more than grateful. I don't wont to give up - but am feeling that is probably the best option at the moment.
Dianne
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User: Dianne Walker
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From: paroper
Date: 04-25-2006, 09:07 AM (8 of 12)
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I don't have your particular software. However, I would suggest that you change your design's format to something else and then do it in Paint. When you are through, change the format back to JEF. When I have done it in my software, I have turned off all the hoops leaving on the grid and made a "master" design. I then draw a basting line down the center and one one each side near the edges leading from the basting line. I then save the "master". Then I make two files from the master, one for the right and one for the left. With each files, I take the center basting line and, of course, the basting lines on that side of the design and I erase the other side of the master. I then save the file as "whatever name side A or side B" I then repeat the exercise. I always draw the bastings line in colors that do not exist in the design and I always make sure they will stitch out first. I stitch the basting lines on my first side so I have something to align the second side through. On the second side, I just line up the sides and top so that the basting lines overlap perfectly and I either sew out only a tiny portion of the line OR I just advance over them to make sure that they align properly. THis works for me, you may want to use another method. pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
User: paroper
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From: Dianne Walker
Date: 04-26-2006, 05:18 PM (9 of 12)
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Thanks for all your ideas all of you. I spend many hours fiddling about yesterday and worked it out what to do. I managed to split the design in Embird and saved it for the gigahoop which saves it in two halves. I then had to use the Easygigahoop software to turn one half round and put it back as one design to send it across to the machine. I tried with a very simple captial M outline and after a few goes got it perfect so I will try the proper logo now as a sample before I go for real on the fleece. I will stabilise it as you suggest and put some soluble on the top and keep fingers (and toes) crossed!!!! Many thanks Di Dianne
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User: Dianne Walker
Member since: 01-05-2005 Total posts: 59 |
From: Tom Land
Date: 04-28-2006, 12:08 AM (10 of 12)
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Dianne what you are attempting is actually very easy to do but too complicated to explain here. It does involve splitting your design in half and then sewing it in halves but the software does all that for you. Your dealer should be able to teach you how to do this in about 30 min. If not (Janome does not mandate that dealers stay current on products. So there is a possibility that yours isn't very knowledgable on this software) you might approach your nearest Pfaff dealer and ask for help. This portion of the software is very similar between the two so they could figure it out for you. Good luck and have fun. Have fun or don't do it, Tom
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User: Tom Land
Member since: 09-21-2005 Total posts: 514 |
From: Dianne Walker
Date: 05-01-2006, 10:02 AM (11 of 12)
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Thanks Tom -yes you are right - it is easy now I have sorted out what to do. I have tried the proper design now on some felt and it stitched out really well, I was quite pleased so will go for real now. The shop the machine came from have been quite good helping with some things but didn't know anything about the Gigahoop - said they had had no training. But never mind I know what I am doing now with help on here and patient trial and error. It is just a bit time consuming that is the main problem. Many thanks to you all Di Dianne
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User: Dianne Walker
Member since: 01-05-2005 Total posts: 59 |
From: quilthis
Date: 05-28-2006, 08:57 PM (12 of 12)
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This group for the 300e and other Janome machines has wonderful instructions for using the gigahoop in the files. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EasyeethreeMachines/ Sherri |
User: quilthis
Member since: 04-30-2006 Total posts: 3 |
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