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From: Pitfall
Date: 05-23-2006, 03:50 PM (1 of 51)
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I've been lurking at the boards while saving for a sewing machine and have learned a great deal and have even shook loose some of the cobwebs that have accumulated over the last 20 years while I've been too busy raising my 9 kids to sew, sleep, sit down, ect. (It's been wonderful to discover that I do indeed have a few brain cells left ....despite the kids' perpetual efforts to destroy them one by one.) My youngest enters kindergarten this fall so I will FINALLY have my days to myself, more or less. I have a bed-bound 6 yr old son with cerebral palsy that requires round-the-clock care who will be home, but caring for him is a snap compared to chasing after a healthy 5 yr old all day! Needless to say, with such a large family and only one adult working, saving has not gone quickly. It seems like every time I'd get a little bit set aside, something vital to our household would need repaired or replaced....anyone familiar with that? I can't tell you how excited I've been to finally have enough to make my purchase....or so I thought.  Based on the information I've read here, I'd decided to purchase from a dealer. The idea of lessons, on-going support, ect, seemed perfect for a remedial sewer like myself. The allegations that the same models offered at major retailers were inferior to their dealership counterparts greatly concerned me as well. It was also important to me to have a truly local dealer. It is extremely difficult to make arrangements for my son's care to leave for even short intervals....let alone travel out-of-town. There is only one sewing machine dealer in my town and they carry Bernina. I've read alot of positive things about the brand so I was ecstatic to discover the store only 15 minutes from my door! It took a few days to arrange for a sitter for Declan, but today I went for my machine. That was the plan, anyways. The dealership was large, new, and very upscale. It was also very busy. I took that for a good sign. When I explained that I was looking for a new machine, the owner immediately assisted me. Everything was better than I'd ever dreamed. I explained my "returning-sewer" status, that I would be sewing garments and exploring quilting, and my price range. That narrowed my choices down to 2 machines, Bernettes, and of those two, the owner recommended the "lesser" based on reliability issues. (They are also an authorized on-site repair facility.) She also showed me the low-end Bernina model, nice, over twice my price point, and at least another 6 months away. Now although I don't need a decked-out model, I had anticipated getting a little more for my money. (I think the toy machine I had as a kid had a few more features than this particular machine.) Even the next higher model she recommended, the low-end Bernina model, didn't have much of a feature set and it was over twice what I wanted to pay. As for the lessons I'd hoped for, I'd get one with the Bernette and five with the Bernina. They just basically show you the machine's features and set-up. The shop itself has multiple classes and groups and is extremely active, particularly in quilting. Of course, all that costs more and would require leaving my son, but it's nice that the encouragement and passion is there. No sewing machine for me today  . On the bright side, I have money in my pocket. I can keep saving and maybe have enough for the Bernina by Christmas or I can take my chances on a nicely-featured Singer at Hancock's and start sewing now. The Bernina dealership is also authorized to repair Singers so I would have someplace to get it fixed. I wouldn't get those five free lessons and the Bernina quality (something the salesperson emphasized over and over and over). I'm not even sure how much "quality" I need...I'm just getting back into this and would be happy with "decent". Who knows? Five years down the road I might be skilled enough to be discerning in that way and be grateful for all that quality. Are the new Singers as totally awful as I've been led to believe or will they serve the purpose until I can upgrade in a few years? I don't want to be wasting money on pure junk either. Back and forth and back and forth. I would be very grateful for your insights. Please vote "Save" or "Sew" and give your comments. And most of all, thanks for listening. Pitfall |
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From: KATMOM
Date: 05-23-2006, 04:36 PM (2 of 51)
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Dear Pitfall: Understanding your situation in many ways....I am a beginner as well and while I am sure the Bernina is a very nice model do we as beginners need to drive a BMW? Certainly nothing wrong with the BMW though... I am just going to jump in with my opinion. As a beginner and a owner of a Singer my review is: I haven't had any problems with it, the only problem I personally had was with the operator...it seemed to take me a while to get a handle on threading the darn thing. I was not able to spend alot of money for a machine. I have had the singer for about 3 years. What I use it for: I have an energtic child (I only have one - I don't know how you do it), I do not get to sew as much as I would like and I tend to do more mending then actual garment construction. House hold projects and the like and hoping to do some xmas presents this year. My mother who is more of an expert sewer has had mutliple singers. She loved her older model and still mentions it.... Yes - my mother is really good formals,quilting - you name it she enjoys and tackles it. To make a long story short I am voting for you to buy the singer and get on enjoying your sewing journey...doing a little something for yourself because you could use some time for yourself and you deserve it! Best wishes to you - what ever your choice is..... Katmom |
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From: mozeyrn
Date: 05-23-2006, 04:51 PM (3 of 51)
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I'm certainly no expert on this matter but what if you waited a little while longer, got a lower-end machine from a dealer and then up-grading to a nicer, brighter machine in the future? Many of the talented men & women here have stated on other posts that they went to their dealer and up-graded their current machine to the next model up (or higher) sometimes in a specific time-frame though. I made the mistake of not going to a dealer (not too many out here in my neck of the woods - the one I did go to, the man never spoke to me nor even said, "Hi".) Many things on my machine are similar to my grandmom's cast iron Singer so I wasn't too lost on how to thread the needle and wind/set-up the bobbin. Now if I could just learn how to sew better..... Only my opinion. - Maureen.
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From: Skye
Date: 05-23-2006, 04:56 PM (4 of 51)
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Hi Pitfall,Could you possibly consider a used Bernina machine from the dealer. When I call in to my dealer there are often pretty new models there with warantees etc. If having a dealer of a particular brand wasn't so important I recommend that you look at a Janome - most of the reviews are postive and you certainly get bang for you $, However, I know what you mean about having a dealer close by which is why I have an Elna 6005 'cause the dealer is a 10 minute drive down the highway and they give good service with a cheerful smile. Good luck |
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From: DorothyL
Date: 05-23-2006, 05:11 PM (5 of 51)
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Pitfall -- For many years I made clothes for myself and two daughters (and an occasional shirt for my husband) on an old treadle Singer. The only things I missed were a zipper foot and zig-zag for button holes and knits. After that I had a low end Singer, which worked fine until I killed it with a jean jacket. I had a low end Brother that worked fine too. When I finally did get a more expensive model it did improve my sewing (that jean jacket wouldn't faze this baby) and I love it -- but it was a luxury my husband bought me when our financial situation was better and the kids were gone. Although I often suggest people get a serger from a dealer so they get the lessons and support they need, I always tell beginners not to get more sewing machine than they can afford. If you find you need more you will find a way to get it without breaking the family budget. And if you end up not using it much, you will not feel like you wasted the money. A good, name brand, low end machine will get you started. A used machine may be another option. My sewing machine was a floor model and my serger was a re-box used to teach dealers how to use the model. But they were still pricey (by my standards anyway). Dorothy |
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From: MaryW
Date: 05-23-2006, 05:27 PM (6 of 51)
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Pitfall, hi and welcome to Sew Whats New. I can relate to your problem. My first machine was made by the T. Eaton Co. and we paid payments for what seemed f-o-r-e-v-e-r. Had I known, I would have gone with a used machine. MaryW
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From: mommydionne
Date: 05-23-2006, 06:07 PM (7 of 51)
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I think going for the high end (ie bernina) would not be in your best interest at this point, I have a bernina and love it but sewed for 15 years on a $300 Janome with a good buttonhole and zigzag. Also looking at a refubished older machine would not be a bad idea either, the mechanical berninas are fab and you may be able to get one at a lower price. You can likely get lessons at hancocks too?!? I think you were getting a bit of a bums rush from the dealer to buy something you couldn't afford and may not need. THAT takes all the fun out of sewing!!
Jeanette
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From: carman
Date: 05-23-2006, 06:11 PM (8 of 51)
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i agree with the "go used" idea, and don't forget to barter on them as well
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From: DorothyL
Date: 05-23-2006, 08:00 PM (9 of 51)
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If you do go used get one refurbished by a dealer with some sort of warranty unless you know the person you are buying it from. It won't do you any good if it breaks in a month Dorothy |
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From: Sherri
Date: 05-23-2006, 08:17 PM (10 of 51)
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Nobody suggested a Kenmore I had a Kenmore when I restarted sewing. It was a straight forward machine. I really didn't need or want the lessons. It comes with a Sears Warranty. And they are affordable. I love my new Husqvarna but the Kenmore still holds a little piece of my heart. sherri My website
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From: plrlegal
Date: 05-23-2006, 08:36 PM (11 of 51)
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Pitfall I don't know which model Singer you're looking at at Hancock's but I have my Singer Quantum 3400 (the new model is the 9910, I think) and I love it. I also have a high end Pfaff (Quilt Expression 2044 that I love) but I also love my Singer Quantum. I have not had one problem with it and it sews great and it is sew quiet that last night I was sewing at 12:30 a.m. and my dh was asleep in the room next to my seiwng room and didn't hear it. Go to Hancock's and see if they will let you sew on a Singer and see how it feels to you. I haven't had a problem with my Singer dealer standing behind anything I've purchased from them but to date, I haven't had any problems although I did wear out a 5 thread Singer Serger sewing Christmas costumes for our church over the last 11 years. If the Singer feels good to you and has the features that you want and you can afford it now, go for it and get on with your sewing life and perhaps down the raod doors will open for you to possibly purchase a Bernina, who knows. but in the meantime, don't deny yourself the joy of sewing. Patsy Patsy
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From: paroper
Date: 05-23-2006, 08:51 PM (12 of 51)
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The Bernette machines are currently Janome brand made to Bernina specs. I don't know how much different they are than just buying a Janome brand. Bernina broke their many year contract with Brother for those machines over a year ago. As far as I know they are ok. I don't know much about them. Most if not all the Sears machines are also Janome. I don't know if a Bernina dealer would service one that said "Janome" on the front, but they should. I don't know if you would get a better price. The 220 (with snap on feet), the 230 and 240 are the first of the Bernina line that are made by Bernina (proper). Many of Bernie fans who do a lot of quilting, travel to quilt clubs, go to the lake, whatever really enjoy these machines. They don't mind being moved around and are a little lighter than other Bernina machines because they are 3/4 size. These are really nice too if you plan to store them and take them out only when you need them. Some of the Bernies are really heavy. People who sew (and know) don't buy Bernina machines because of their name. They buy them because of the patented stitch made by the hook system. That is the key. I do not know if the Bernette machines have this. The machines with the 5.5 stitch width which are made by Bernina when properly adjusted by the tech (and they will maintain that adjustment...they are good at that), will make one of the most beautiful straight even stitches you've ever seen. Another reason to buy Bernina is that outside of the computer componets, they are almost entirely metal so you don't have the plastic to plastic/nylong wear. I do not like the stright stitch of the newer hook system but the embroidery is pretty outtasite! As far as mechanical Bernina machines go, Bernina has only one in their stable and it has been there for a while. Many companies either don't have any or they only have one machine that is mechanical. Today's seamstress wants glitz and stitches. That is much easier to accomplish with a computerized machine. It has a loyal following and is in demand as a mechanical machine. I've been told it can be purchased for between $800 and $900. I haven't priced the machine and I'm sure of that figure. The model is number 1008. A Bernina is a fine machine. However, if you don't sew much and haven't sewn much over the last several years, I'd be inclined to tell you to do a little more shopping. I don't know much about the Singers. THey went through a dry spell there where they weren't the best on the block...however, I understand that the new machines can be quite nice. THere are plenty here who have good experiences with Singer and you need to know the good and the bad to know which models are the best. Tom Land, one of our resident gurus knows a lot about Singer and he is pretty loyal (he is a dealer). I'd send him a PM if he doesn't answer and see what he says. THe thing is that I would like to see you get a decent machine you would enjoy and start now rather than wait. You've got several months before Christmas and you'll want to do some summer clothing because it is easy to sew and light weight. By the time winter gets here you'll want to do Christmas crafts, gifts and winter clothing. I sure wouldn't rule out the possiblity of a used machine either. Bernina for one has just undergone a huge overall in their machine line. There are some pretty good used machines out there for the taking and many a dealer is well stocked with good used machines. A good dealer will fully service and offer at least a partical warranty on his used machines...keep that in mind. Also, if he has a lot in stock you may be able to get even a better price. With the huge model change over many people took advantage of the trade in/trade up policies and many dealers are awash in good machines like the 430 and 440 in particular. pam
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From: esrun3
Date: 05-23-2006, 10:07 PM (13 of 51)
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Welcome Pitfall! I have Singer 9940 that I love but I also have a lower end Singer that cost around $150 at Walmart that works very well. I only got the pricier one because I wanted some "fancy stitches". My cheaper model works quite well and I've not had any problems with them aside from the more expensive one having to be replaced under warranty because the first one was a lemon but you take that chance no matter what you buy. check refurbished but don't buy without a warranty! Hancock's here has some lessons to go with the machines they sell so you might want to check with your Hancock's if you go that route. Lyn
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From: Pitfall
Date: 05-23-2006, 10:19 PM (14 of 51)
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I appreciate all your input and have already been placed on the waiting list should an older Bernina come in on trade. I've scoured the local classified ads for months and will continue to do so. I think the demographics of my area are pretty poor in this regard. I live in a new community in Florida where the majority of residents are older transplants from "up north". I can only assume that they left their machines behind when they came to enjoy the sunshine and sandy beaches because there are only rare ads for sewing machines. The Bernina dealer did tell me that I could trade up within 6 months. I'm considering that option, but based on my slow saving situation, am afraid that I would miss the deadline and be even further away. I'm going to try to locate a Janome dealer and see what they have to offer. I won't go to Sears. I'm another one of those people who have been horribly mistreated through customer service on another faulty appliance and will never step foot in their door again. The Singer spec sheets look great on paper. I would like to be confident that their products are decent. The 7400 series fall in my price range and include quite a few features I'd like. The true test is in the sewing. Any of you out there with those models who can share your likes and dislikes? It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again, everyone. I am so ready to get started sewing again ! Mahala, Pitfall |
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From: AndreaSews
Date: 05-23-2006, 10:19 PM (15 of 51)
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Just thought of this: Whichever way you go, you can probably bank on a nice Memorial Day Weekend sale to sweeten the pot. Both my local Hancocks and my local Bernina dealer are having sales.
Andrea
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From: stephi
Date: 05-24-2006, 03:32 PM (16 of 51)
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Kenmore Kenmore!!! I am very home piddle and play sewer and my kenmore does it for me. I have even done heavier fabrics for horse blankets and it is fine!! Another thought for you, Some times the local High schools buy newer and sell the older ones you might check it out!!! OR... Floor models, they are already broken in with not too much wear and tear on them. Other than that I agree with the used, my first machine was actually my great grand mothers she used for quilting, and I think it could have told me how president lincoln liked his steak cooked!!!
Stephi
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From: Butterflyrf71
Date: 05-24-2006, 03:47 PM (17 of 51)
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You and I are in the same boat right now - I am looking to buy a machine as well, and money is an issue for me. I swore I wanted a Singer, and I when I got to JoAnn's - they didn't carry them. I went home empty handed. All they carried were the high end embroidery sewing machines. I got lots of great information from all the others though - reading that thread may give you some other information (like, I didn't know that Kenmore is actually a lot of other name brand machines made for Sears). The thread is in General Sewing, under "Need a new machine . . . and some Help". Meanwhile, money still in my pocket, I am waiting. I have a $100 White Classic machine that does straight and zig zag only - and I am just plugging along until the right machine comes to me. I too want something a little beyond what I am capable of so I can increase my skills. Let us know what you decide to do. Sorry I'm not voting one way or the other - but I can tell you, I've been making my daughter clothes like mad on my dusted off White machine - and they still look great! I have my eye on the Singer 7466 - looks like we favor the same machines. I just need to find someone to sell me one locally! You will love this forum - I know I do. Everyone is fantastic, it's like a family. So Welcome!!!!!!
You Lord, give perfect peace to those who keep their purpose firm, and place their trust in you. Isaiah 26:3, AV
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From: Patty22
Date: 05-24-2006, 07:11 PM (18 of 51)
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Hi Pitfall...... Since you have financial obligations (out the wingwhang....which I understand completely with four kids of my own) I am going to suggest you go with a good "used" Bernina. I am speaking from experience with using older brand White, Kenmore, and Singer machines (except for the featherweights which I love dearly). I have a Bernina 801 sport - which I purchased in '85 or '86 - mechanical and does zigzag/buttonhole and you are able to drop the feed dogs for machine quilting. It is a real workhorse, but also light enough to move around from one area to another without being a problem. The cost of new machines is astronomical - I am always in "shock" when I see them. My 1230 Bernina which I purchased over 13 years ago has features that I haven't utilized - I often wonder what I would do with a machine that has all the bells and whistles. My machines take a real workout and I have never had tension problems. That is one of the main reasons I went with a Bernina - I didn't want to deal with the frustration of going to sew a garment and have the bobbin tension or thread tension go haywire and stopping and starting just to fix the machine I hand embroider and have never had an interest in purchasing a machine that has embroidery functions - another reason is that I would never be able to get into the purchasing of all the designer hardware, feet and embroidery thread. Check out the machines on eBay so you can go to your retailer and have figures so that you can "bargain". If you even consider purchasing through eBay, check out the seller! I purchased an 830 Bernina from a garage sale (the woman was a professional seamstress) and sent it to my friend who taught at Parsons and he said the machine was in absolutely beautiful condition. I am under the belief that when you find an upper end brand machine at a garage sale/estate sale, chances are the person had made an investment in their equipment and treated it as such. Just remember that older machines may not necessarily be capable of using the newer feet and you need to check out which shanks fit which model numbers. If you are $$ short (and I understand about the $$$$$ going for the needs of your family) keep saving and don't skimp on your machine. Think of the $$ you will be saving if you do consider doing clothing construction. I hope you enjoy which ever machine you purchase; sewing is a wonderful and rewarding profession/hobby or pastime. Sewing is also a great way to be in the same room caring for your son, but still filling your time inbetween. Good luck! Patty
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From: bridesmom
Date: 05-24-2006, 11:55 PM (19 of 51)
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I'm curious, have you test driven the Singer and the Bernina?? that may make your decision easier. I'd have to agree with most of the others for the used Bernina (I have a Pfaff that I love, but I do have an older Bernina Deco embroidery machine that is really nice.) My sister is a Bernina babe 100%, she loves them. Yet I do know of people that love their Singer, so like I said, have you test driven both of them???
Laura
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From: swartzrn
Date: 05-25-2006, 10:20 AM (20 of 51)
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I started with a Brother back in the fall and then right after Christmas got a Singer CE100 which is the beginner machine with the embroidery function. To be honest, when just doing basic sewing, I always revert back to the Brother b/c it's SO user friendly. My mother has a Singer that she's had for YEARS--literally since I was a little girl and probably before that and it's wonderful! I thought that since I was just starting out sewing again that the brother would be good and it has proved to be a very good choice. It does numerous stitches to include a buttonhole stitch and many many others. The Singer also does tons of stitches but I, again, have found that my little Brother machine is just easier to manage--for me anyway. I plan to upgrade to bigger and better machines as my sewing improves and increases!
Julie
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From: paroper
Date: 05-25-2006, 12:04 PM (21 of 51)
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One really positive thing about the Brother/Baby Lock lines of machine is that almost everyone makes their machine format for embroidery
pam
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From: Pitfall
Date: 05-25-2006, 03:33 PM (22 of 51)
I'm still saving and am pleased to have such fantastic input from all. I feel genuinely welcome here and wish more message boards had such great members! Our local free classified newspaper came out today and there was not a single SM for sale! I'm going to window-shop at the Bernina place tomorrow in hopes that the lady has pity on me and eventually finds me a good, used machine. I thought I'd dress up in my oldest, ragged jeans and scroungy flip flops so she could see just how desperate I am. If that doesn't work, maybe I'll drag ALL my kids along and have them stand outside the store staring longingly into the window. Or I'll just break down and get something from Hancock's  The saga continues....Robin |
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From: LeapFrog Libby
Date: 05-25-2006, 05:36 PM (23 of 51)
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Robin, Just remember this,, Bernina has the rep of being the cadillac of sewing machines.. Now, I do NOT mean buy a new one... I do know that they sew on and on for years.. Many get traded in to get a higher end machine.. Not to get a different brand.. I think they have such a good rep that they don't care enough about the economy sewer ... That is such a shame.. Keep looking and waiting and I bet that store owner will come up with one for you.. I love my Janome. I bought it for my retirement present to me.. This was after sewing for 20 some years on a Kenmore made by Janome from Sears.. Had 1 repair bill on that one..(kid up the street caused it).. Have never had a repair bill on my Janome.. It is 12 or 13 years old now.. Sew With Love
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From: Butterflyrf71
Date: 05-25-2006, 06:28 PM (24 of 51)
Lots of luck, from one Robin, to another 
You Lord, give perfect peace to those who keep their purpose firm, and place their trust in you. Isaiah 26:3, AV
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From: Bama
Date: 05-26-2006, 08:31 AM (25 of 51)
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I sewed on a $229 Kenmore machine for about 12 years and it still works fine. I got a computerized Brother machine a few years because it was time for more features, but the Kenmore served me well. I made alot of clothes for my kids on it when they were little, as well as lots of home dec things and pieced several quilts. I liked my Brother so much, now I have a Brother 1500 straight stitch machine for quilting. I've always heard good things about Berninas and wanted one too, but went with Brother because I just couldn't afford the same features on a Bernina. Good luck whatever you decide. I hope you find lots of time to sew.
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From: bluebirdie
Date: 05-26-2006, 06:21 PM (26 of 51)
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Can I vote Sew AND Save? I budget everything (it's a sickness came with jobs). So I would get a machine that's below budget and save the rest for fabrics and notions. Getting a machine is only the beginning of sewing. If that along drains the budget, then it won't get much use later without anything to sew with. - Robin
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From: Butterflyrf71
Date: 05-28-2006, 09:50 AM (27 of 51)
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You could always buy a low end machine, like mine, which works great for clothes. They go for under $100 right now. Save the rest for a better machine and supplies. Use your coupons. I cut every coupon I can. I checked Jo Ann's and Hancocks - they both take coupons from AC Moore and Michaels. I buy everything but fabric with a coupon. You can get started honing your skills and still save for that "dream" machine. I am firm believer that in anything you do, and not just sewing, it has as much to do with the user, as the tool. My machine does onoly straight and zig zag, and I can't wait to upload my latest pic of my daughters dress. I've decided to buy some extra feet for my machine, to see how far I can push my current machine. I am still saving for my dream machine, which may take awhile - I'm debating on whether I should buy the machine, or save for my hearing aids, lol. You Lord, give perfect peace to those who keep their purpose firm, and place their trust in you. Isaiah 26:3, AV
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From: lorna
Date: 05-28-2006, 12:04 PM (28 of 51)
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I would be very grateful for your insights. Please vote "Save" or "Sew" and give your comments. And most of all, thanks for listening. Pitfall Dear Pitfall— Close your eyes and let your mind get quiet. Imagine that six months have now passed. You are six months into the future. Are you happy you bought the "lesser" machine that you could afford six months ago and can you say, "I can live contentedly with this machine for a very long time" OR are you excited about going out to buy the machine that has more user friendly features? That is how I would make my decision. Good luck deciding! 
Lorna in Southern California Picking up (spring '06) after decades of not sewing.
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From: MartySews
Date: 05-28-2006, 10:58 PM (29 of 51)
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Robin, Do not discount the sewing machines from Wal-Mart. Several in my ASG chapter bought a little Brother machine (6000T) for $199 to carry to classes. It only weighs 10 pounds and has lots of decorative stitches. It is computerized (push button technology) and has a one step buttonhole plus lots of additional presser feet including a walking foot. They have proven to be reliable and sturdy. Also, Wal-Mart does have a 90 day return policy. I would recommend that you purchase something along this order or one of the Kenmore machines from Sears. My Kenmore that I bought in 1976 lasted me until 2002 when the housing broke when dropped by some contractors doing renovations in my home. Also, there are some reputable online companies like Ken's Sewing Center in Muscle Shoals, AL who has a nice inventory of different machines that he can sell over the internet. His website is www.kenssewingcenter.com and I know the store is reliable. Hope this helps. Marty
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From: AllieM
Date: 05-29-2006, 01:48 PM (30 of 51)
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I have a Walmart bought Singer and I love it to death. It doesn't have bells or whistles but it was only about $200 with tax and it's been reliable and very good to me for almost 5 years now. I'm looking to upgrade to get all those bells I think I need now but I'm definately keeping my Singer. It's so user friendly my 7 year old can thread it in about 20 seconds and she's had no problems operating it what so ever. Good luck in whatever machine you chose. Aren't you dying to get sewing? Allie
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From: Pitfall
Date: 05-29-2006, 04:55 PM (31 of 51)
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My husband gave me some "free time" to make a trip to the Pfaff dealer, so I spent some time there. I like the idea of the IDT (don't ask me what those initials officially stand for!). I loved the way the machines sewed, but her prices seemed alot higher than what I've seen listed around various websites and at the sewing machine review board. I also didn't like the fact that she was showing me older models and then, when I asked about a particular new version of one, suddenly remembered that she had that one in back. Even at her 15% off special, the prices on the older models were several hundred dollars more than what I've seen the new models for. I can actually get into a Bernina for a little less. So, it's IDT vs the patented CB Hook. And then of course, there's that perfectly lovely little Janome-made Kenmore that has like a trillion stitches and 7 automatic buttonholes (my nemesis) and all the extras that Bernina and Pfaff make you pay dearly for. Plus I could buy the entire assortment of 20 pressure feet AND a dressmaker's form (which I've longed for many years) AND a new rotary cutter AND a really big new mat. So, I am STRONGLY leaning this way. I realize I won't get the support, but I've got you all, right? And, in my particular situation, I'm really not able to take advantage of that support anyways. I've been out in my SM quest more in this past week than I have in the last three months! The kids are at their sister's for the next two days so I'm off the hook for the "sewing lessons". I think I might just indulge in an adult beverage, watch some mindless TV, and give my head a break from all this sewing stuff. Hell, I even dreamed about sewing last night and that's just not right! Hope everyone is having a nice and safe holiday. Bobbin uh, I mean Robin |
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From: MartySews
Date: 05-29-2006, 05:07 PM (32 of 51)
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Robin, Go for the Kenmore. Your $$$ will go a very long way. I love my Pfaff and saved 5 years for it while sewing on my 25 year old Kenmore. Happy Stitching! Marty
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From: Sherri
Date: 05-29-2006, 05:47 PM (33 of 51)
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Like I said before don't discount a Kenmore. It can take a licking and keep on stitching. Sherri My website
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From: paroper
Date: 05-29-2006, 07:03 PM (34 of 51)
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I don't know about all the machines bought at Wal Mart but my Bernina/Brother dealer tells me that Brother treats those machines like they were bought at any dealer and Brother recognizes the warranty. Not all dealers will service them but that is just at the dealer's discression (my dealer does).
pam
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From: Patty22
Date: 05-29-2006, 07:29 PM (35 of 51)
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Hell, I even dreamed about sewing last night and that's just not right! Robin, this is just the beginning of dreaming of sewing.........
Patty
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From: plrlegal
Date: 05-29-2006, 08:22 PM (36 of 51)
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Robin, I say go for the Kenmore and don't look back. Patsy Patsy
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From: LeapFrog Libby
Date: 05-30-2006, 03:42 PM (37 of 51)
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Robin, my Kenmore (purchased in 1974 or therabouts) is still going strong at DIL's House.. Only rpair was becaus a neighbor kid pushed it over and messed up the mechanism on the stitch controls .. No fault of machine or Sears there.. I love my Janome now .. Same good long years of service w/ no repairs needed.. My Kenmore is a Janome also.. It helped me serve good food to my sons while not making a whole lot of money because I made my own clothes for work at the bank..(single parent, you know) Saved a heck of a lot of money for me.. Sew With Love
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From: mommydionne
Date: 05-30-2006, 04:58 PM (38 of 51)
go for the kenmore and all the rest of things that will make your sewing more enjoyable, they are sturdy machines and sew nicely, I loved my old Janome and my mum still sews on her kenmore and wouldn't trade it for my Bernina  A dress form and rotary cutter and the BIG mat will make life so much more enjoyable for you as you sew.(mum used to teach 4-H so her machine took a fair amount of abuse and it's still ticking along) Jeanette
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From: Pitfall
Date: 05-31-2006, 01:30 PM (39 of 51)
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With the kids out of the house for a few days, I had plenty of time to study my little mountain of test strips from the various machines. Not that it did any good. No particular model outshined the others across the board. One machine did great on denim, but its competitor kicked butt on chiffon, and so forth so on. So I did what any reasonable person would do. I consulted an expert. My husband. Riigghhtt. We were relaxing (well, he was) on the patio and I had grown frustrated with my hopeless task so I shoved the whole batch towards him. "Look at these and tell me which one you think is the best," I said. He slid them around on the table top a few seconds and said, "They all look fine." "Fine? " I hissed. "They all look fine ?" Now I'm not sure whether it was the steely glare in my eyes or my tone of voice, but smart man that he is, he quickly figured out I wasn't f***ing around. He obediently began picking up the strips one by one, scrutinizing each with all the intensity of a brain surgeon at work. Slowly he composed two separate piles and then started the whole process over on the "keeper" pile. He examined those strips once more and then gave them manly little test stretches. The keeper pile grew smaller. He'd look up every now and then to check if I was still watching him or if he could bail out. No such luck -- I had my laser vision locked. Finally, the poor man handed me his selection. "This one," he whimpered. "I really think this one look the best. I tried really hard too, Robin." I felt a little bad. He had this beat dog kind of look in his eyes. "Alright," I said. The test strip he selected was from Quinn's little Mini Ultra. It was just too funny. I began to laugh hysterically---the kind of laughing that you can't control no matter how hard you try. The puzzled and concerned look on my poor husband's face just made me laugh all the harder. It's a wonder I even have a husband today...it was that bad. But I'm not worried at all about the test results. I have designed a foolproof scientific method that eliminates all husband-related testing anomolies. It goes like this: eenie, meenie... I think things will be much better for all of us when I get my machine. Robin 
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From: MartySews
Date: 05-31-2006, 01:53 PM (40 of 51)
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Robin, GO GET THAT KENMORE and put the "poor man" out of his misery. After 35 years, my DH is immune to steely glares. His response would have been "all of them look great, pick out which one you like best and I'll drive you to the dealership". It isn't what he likes that counts, it's what will make me happiest is his theory. Happy Stitching and enjoy your NEW Kenmore. Marty
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From: DorothyL
Date: 05-31-2006, 02:48 PM (41 of 51)
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My husband would have asked which was from the cheapest machine. Dorothy |
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From: Patty22
Date: 05-31-2006, 03:11 PM (42 of 51)
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Me thinks you are stressing way too much over the purchase of the machine. So, to make it easier, although I said to try and go for a used Bernina, I am recanting my vote and saying go with the Kenmore. Further justification are all the bonuses you pointed out - such as being able to get a dressform, large rotary mat, and the 20 extra feet (which other machines do make you pay dearly for). Furthermore, you've got your warranty to fall back on. BUY the Kenmore........ Patty
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From: mozeyrn
Date: 05-31-2006, 03:33 PM (43 of 51)
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Almost every husband out there will say to their wife, "Honey, whatever makes you happy makes ME happy". They also don't know when they say, "Fine" we think that means mediocre. Get the one that makes YOU the happiest. It doesn't have to be the cheapest or the most expensive, just the one that "feels right" when you sit down in front of it. Go with your gut. - Maureen.
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From: plrlegal
Date: 06-01-2006, 12:25 PM (44 of 51)
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Pitfall: Here's an article written by our own Mary Wilkins and posted on another web site that I get a newsletter from every other day. It makes so much sense about buying a new sewing mahcine: How To Choose a Sewing Machine by Mary Wilkins You have finally come to the conclusion that you need or want a sewing machine. Now, what is on the market and how do you make the right decision? There are many brands of machines out there and everyone boasts different features. Some machines appeal to quilters, others want you to embroider everything including the toilet seat and the shower curtain. Searching for the right machine is going to take some time. Shopping for a new machine can make your head spin. The girls on my boards discuss which machine is best every time someone needs a new one. We all know the name brands but I am not going to suggest one, that decision is yours. It's a personal one and an important one. I will, however give you a few basic questions you should ask yourself. 1. What type of sewing do you plan to do? - clothing - crafts - repairs and alterations - home decorating 2. Where will you sew? - sewing room - kitchen table - integrated into other family living area 3. How will your machine be stored? - in its own cabinet - in a closet hiding behind the coats - leave it out to sew every spare moment 4. Consider your budget and buying habits? How long will you keep this machine? - 6 months - a few years - forever and a day When you answer these questions, you are on your way to making the right decision. Obviously if you are going to sew from the kitchen table, you don't want a machine with lots of accessories or add-ons that will take up too much room. If you are doing repairs and alterations, you don't want a machine that duplicates the quilting stitch. If you have small children around, your machine needs to be tucked away safely. Just a few things to think about. Research is the name of the game here. Check out the latest consumer reports. Visit the forum discussions on sew-whats-new.com and see what the girls are using. They will gladly tell you what works and what doesn't. Another source is the well known sewing magazines. Sew News and Threads do comparison studies all the time. If you are lucky enough to have local dealers, pay them all a visit. Test drive all their machines and ask lots and lots of questions. Take fabric with you that you use and test out things like stitch length, reverse and some of the different presser feet. Find out about lessons. Lots of dealers will give you a few free lessons to get you acquainted with your machine. Above all, take your time. I cannot stress this enough. Don't let anyone rush you through the process. Leave the kids at home so you have no distractions. While you are in the shop asking questions, you can see how the staff relate to customers and if they have the answers to all your questions. If they seem impatient or brusque, imagine how they might be after the sale. If they are not helpful now at the prospect of a sale, they probably won't be later if you need help. On the other hand, a strong sales pitch can also steer you in the wrong direction. Paying for a top of the line model doesn't mean you are getting the machine you will be happiest with. You must resist the urge for that impulse buy. Go home and talk to someone who sews. Find out their experiences and listen to what they have to say. Again, take your time with this decision. If you have visited all the dealers, and test driven their machines visit them all again. Visit again when you are rested and can make a clear decision. Go back and take a second look at those machines. You are looking at them with new eyes now. Maybe there are a few things you never noticed the first time that stand out now. What about that foot pedal, is it comfortable? Do you want the even feed feature? Does the machine run smoothly and quietly? Are there more programmes than you will ever use? If so, make a mental note and you can scale down your possible choices. This second visit will tell you more than you expect. Ask about the warranty that comes with each machine. Be sure you know who is responsible for standing behind it, your dealer or the manufacturer. Are repairs made locally or will you have to pack everything up and send it away. Be very sure you understand what is included with the sewing machine. Which feet, how many bobbins and what about a manual. The manual is very important. You will refer to the manual time after time so it should be a good reference guide to all the accessories and stitch designs along with any other functions. The manual should be full of pictures and diagrams for the basic sewing as well as clear directions. If your manual isn't helpful, do you want to go searching out the answers every time you have a problem. I wish I had a penny for every time someone has emailed me with a problem that their manual doesn't answer. Be sure you get your sales agreement in writing and keep your copy in a safe place. Nothing less will do. The bottom line is you must do some work before you ever sew your first stitch. If you make the effort and educate yourself, the rewards of a great sewing machine are yours. Patsy Patsy
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From: MaryW
Date: 06-01-2006, 12:57 PM (45 of 51)
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Geesh, I forgot all about that. Thanks Patsy.
MaryW
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From: Butterflyrf71
Date: 06-01-2006, 01:22 PM (46 of 51)
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I have to wait to buy a machine; However, after all this info - even I am on overload! Please let us know what you decide to do, and how your test drives go! You Lord, give perfect peace to those who keep their purpose firm, and place their trust in you. Isaiah 26:3, AV
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From: plrlegal
Date: 06-01-2006, 03:20 PM (47 of 51)
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Mary here's the site that posted your article, if you're interested. She gave you full credit and even gave the SWN address. http://www.quiltedparadise.com/n/042-mmf.jsp Patsy Patsy
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From: Butterflyrf71
Date: 06-21-2006, 07:56 PM (48 of 51)
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What DID you buy?
You Lord, give perfect peace to those who keep their purpose firm, and place their trust in you. Isaiah 26:3, AV
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From: lizzybugsmommy
Date: 06-22-2006, 12:34 AM (49 of 51)
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My first sewing machine was a Brother my Grandparents bought me used from a tag sale when I was about 7. That makes me having it abouth 23 years. I still use this machine for my general sewing. I love this machine and it sews better than my Grandmothers high end machine. She begs me to give it back. I recently bought a Brother just for the one step button holes. I purchased it for under $100.00 on clearence. I have enjoyed it also. I have never taken my old one to the shop other than a good cleaning once a year. I use my machine at least 30 hours a week if not more. Weigh your options you could be sewing now or saving for that next house hold repair.LOL I know I have been saving for a new serger with diffrential feed for years now. Good luck and what ever you decide have fun and enjoy the new quiet house(for a few hours anyway).
Catherine
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From: sewingcybermom
Date: 06-28-2006, 09:44 PM (50 of 51)
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Hello everyone! I am a 35 year sewer...no not a 35 year old sewer, but I have been sewing for 35 years. I own 5 Berninas, 2 babylocks, but I would highly recommend a Kenmore to start out. My first 2 sewing machines were kenmores with basic straight, zig zag and a buttonhole attachment that I got for Christmas - I was soooo excited when I got that attachment! The kenmore is a pretty good mid level machine that will serve your purpose to get your feet wet in the sewing world. Get your supplies, spend the money on some lessons, buy a kenmore with a warranty and you should be good to go. There are many to choose from, you will have to be a judge of what you prefer. My one suggestion, no matter what machine you get is to get a top loading bobbin. The front loading ones are just too hard for beginners to adjust to. Most of your first blunders will involve incorrect top threading or bobbin threading. Just a bit of advise. I teach sewing to teens and this is the most difficult part of learning for them. The bobbin. Both winding and inserting properly. Good Luck!! See some of my work here:
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From: paroper
Date: 06-28-2006, 10:38 PM (51 of 51)
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Since about the mid-late 70's the Sears machines have been made by the New Home (Janome) company. Since Sears isn't doing so well you might consider just buying a Janome and cut out the middle man. Sears could float for many more years on their Craftsman line but since the rest of the store isn't doing well....who knows?
pam
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