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From: MaryW
Date: 06-15-2006, 09:32 AM (1 of 18)
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Very interesting article on outer clothing here. You would never have guessed it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5076634.stm MaryW
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From: Bama
Date: 06-15-2006, 02:31 PM (2 of 18)
| Interesting. Looks like space-age fabrics aren't required after all. |
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From: Magot
Date: 06-15-2006, 04:09 PM (3 of 18)
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When Tony went to the Himalayas he was advised to buy a good fleece, boots and gators. So he did, and he was so hot he never wore the fleece just carried it everywhere... I thought it was lack of oxygen that was the limiting factor rather than clothes - stands to reason that 8 layers of natural fibres would do the trick! love and kisses, Jan
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From: Patty22
Date: 06-15-2006, 07:17 PM (4 of 18)
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Mary....how interesting. Do you know what the "patented pivot sleeve" is they refer to in the article? I'm wondering if this is some sort of gusset? I can see it now, it will be the start of the gaberdine vs. gortex wars  at all the sporting supply stores.
Patty
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From: Longblades
Date: 07-12-2006, 09:30 PM (5 of 18)
| Hah, I believe it. Some years ago I bought new hiking boots and decided to get some nice new socks to go with. The salesgirl extolled the virtues of a new sock the store had, reputed to keep it's loft, wick moisture, mould to fit the foot and even stay warm when it got wet. WOOL. It was all wool. I laughed out loud. The only thing it doesn't do is dry quickly. |
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From: MotherInLaw
Date: 07-13-2006, 12:31 AM (6 of 18)
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I have a serious question about warm clothing. Sweatpants and sweatshirts are made of cotton. What is the sense of wearing cotton when I was told that cotton shouldn't be worn in winter it actually makes you colder. It absorbs the cold. Nylon and latex or spandex should be worn with fleece. All these year my poor Husband has been freezeing his butt off in the winter with two sweatshirts and a pair of sweat pants. The people told me at the store last year when I found out about this little secret that even cotton underwear will void the warmth factor of the other clothes you are wearing. Is this true? More than one person told this to me.
I'm regressing back into my youth, I just have to figure out how I'm going to convience my body to come along with me.
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From: DorothyL
Date: 07-13-2006, 07:21 AM (7 of 18)
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I don't wear sweat clothes but a lot of people around here do. I never heard of it not keeping you warm. If it is heavy enough I think cotton is warm. But if it is damp it might be too absorbent. Usually when it is really cold here the air is very dry. I mean really cold -- like below 0 for days on end. For weeks. For months. For what seems like forever ... and ever ... and ever. Oh, sorry, I got off track there. You can get sweat cloths that are a poly blend and poly is hotter because it traps the air inside like wool does. Or just get yourself to the fabric store, pick up some wool or fleece and make that poor man a nice warm jacket for crying out loud!!! Dorothy |
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From: Longblades
Date: 07-13-2006, 12:50 PM (8 of 18)
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MotherInLaw, it's when the cotton gets wet that it is cold. A well known key to staying warm in winter is to not exert yourself so much that you sweat. Many of the new space age fabrics claim to be very good at wicking (breathable is also a word you will see used) the moisture away from your body so that at least the layer next to your skin stays dry and feels warmer. I have not yet found one of these miracle fibres/fabrics that performs well enough to keep me dry in my favourite winter time activities of crosscountry skiing, snowshoeing and ice skating. Of course, standing absolutely still won't work either. You have to move around enough to generate some body heat but not sweat too much. It's not actually any fabric that keeps you warm but it's ability to trap dead air. As long as the fabric is dry the air between it and you, and in it, will keep you warm. Wool and fleece trap more dead air so are warmer. Some new fleeces will keep you somewhat warm even when wet, as wool does. Not as warm as when dry though. You mention nylon, latex and spandex. The latter two are basically the same thing and have no ability to wick on their own, they are just there for stretch. As you can imagine, in solid latex you would sweat buckets. Nylon depends on the weave and blend with other fibres. Simple tightly woven nylon is not breathable so you will sweat in it. It can help keep you warm as an outer layer as it will keep some of the wind and a bit of rain out, due to the tight weave. But with wet cotton layers under a nylon shell you will still feel cold. Hah, Dorothy, I was all ready to move to where you live till I noticed you put your location in and it is New York. I'm a winter person, I LOVE the cold. Give me -30C over +30C any day. But I'm already further north than you. |
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From: DorothyL
Date: 07-13-2006, 01:10 PM (9 of 18)
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We get lots of cold and lots of winter. We get lots of rain too. I think Patty floated out to sea -- well out to lake -- yesterday. Dorothy |
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From: Longblades
Date: 07-14-2006, 11:57 AM (10 of 18)
| Who is Patty? |
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From: DorothyL
Date: 07-14-2006, 12:39 PM (11 of 18)
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Why good old Patty22 of course. Dorothy |
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From: MotherInLaw
Date: 07-15-2006, 01:03 AM (12 of 18)
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This is the fabric I was talking about that I got him. Developed by athletes for athletes, Under ArmourŽ wicks moisture away from your skin, so you stay dry and comfortable even during high-aerobic activities. A great choice for outdoor training in cold weather, ColdGearŽ features a lightweight two-sided fabric that disperses heat from warmer parts of your body throughout the rest of the shirt, keeping you warm and dry. A second skin fit eliminates bulk without sacrificing comfort. 63% nylon/23% polyester/14% elastane. Imported. Machine wash and dry. You see it's made of nylon, elastane and polyester. The place I purchased it from told us not to wear cotton I don't know the reason for that except what you said it might hold the moisture to you but anyway they told me to combine it with fleece and between the two fabrics he would stay warm. Of course he was warmer than before but this man is cold when it's 70 in the house. He wears sweat shirts and pants in the A/C when the house is 70 or a little below. It's 95 outside and he's inside in his chair with the sweats on. Dorothy I haven't seen any ployester/cotton sweats here. They mostly contain all cotton. And I made him some fleece sweats last year I guess I'll have to get the pattern out and make some more. It's colder up here on the northshore then it was down on the southshore. But it never rains!!!  My tomatos are wilting I have to water them everyday and the grass too.
I'm regressing back into my youth, I just have to figure out how I'm going to convience my body to come along with me.
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From: Longblades
Date: 07-15-2006, 10:39 AM (13 of 18)
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I haven't heard of that brand, there are new ones out all the time. I bet it is a knit, not a woven, and I bet it was really expensive? Dispersing heat, that's one I haven't heard before, will have to see if they have a website. I guess that means the heat from the body core is somehow miraculously distributed out to the arms? You can tell I sound skeptical, can't you? I can't afford to try them all, maybe this one does work - you'll have to let us know. Many of the new ones also claim to have anti-bacterial ingredients in the fabric that help eliminate the odours of sweaty moisture, which has always been worse in the synthetic fabrics. I have not found those claims to be true either, at least not for me. Your husband sounds like mine, he just runs cold. When my DH and I cross-country ski I will wear, on top, one cotton turtleneck and a very lightweight, breathable (so it claims) nylon shell and very rarely a hat. He will wear long, waffle weave cotton underwear or a fleece set I bought him, a heavy cotton sweatshirt, a fleece or down vest and then a fleece or down jacket. His neck will be wrapped in a thick turtleneck dickie and he always wears a hat that is insulated and has ear flaps. He will look like the Michelen man. When we get back I will be soaking wet, but very warm, and he will be dry, but cold. The first thing I will do is drink one or two glasses of COLD water and he will have hot chocolate. Go figure. Does your husband wear a hat? Heat loss through the head is reputed to be anywhere from 30% to 80% of your body heat, depending where you read about it. Staying dry, dressing in layers and wearing a hat are the best things he can do to stay warm. An outer layer of wind resistent material will help keep the cold from blowing in. |
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From: Patty22
Date: 07-15-2006, 07:02 PM (14 of 18)
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13543799/ I saw this on Dateline - Miracle on Mt. Everest. A climber was given up as dead by his party and the next day another party saved his life by giving up their ascent to the top by staying with him. It was heart wrenching to hear of climbers crawling over the bodies of those who never made it to the top. Check out the story; one of the best Dateline stories I've watched. Although the deprevation of oxygen plays havoc with your mind, I wonder how much better these climbers would have done with natural fiber clothing? Patty
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From: MotherInLaw
Date: 07-16-2006, 12:23 AM (15 of 18)
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Longblades, My husband is BALD and yes we tired that putting something on his head to keep him warm and it helps but he's still freezing. All he has to do is see a cold front moving toward us and the cold weather gear comes out. I wear shorts most of the year and hate a coat. My cold weather gear consist of a wind breaker. But it wouldn't be that way if I lived where most of you live. Cold here is usually in the 50's.
I'm regressing back into my youth, I just have to figure out how I'm going to convience my body to come along with me.
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From: DorothyL
Date: 07-16-2006, 07:26 AM (16 of 18)
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Susie -- Maybe you should bring that man up here in February to toughen him up a little. When it hits 50 folks around here start taking their clothes off to their short sleeves. I was in Nashville in early April one year. It was funny you could tell where people in the group -- it was a builder's convention -- were from by the way they were dressed. People from the south were in coats and shivering and people from the north had a sweater at most. Dorothy |
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From: Longblades
Date: 07-16-2006, 10:49 AM (17 of 18)
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50 degrees F? That's only about +10 celcius here. At +10 I'm just starting to feel good. The cool weather energizes me. I won't even think of wearing a hat till it gets to -10 and then only if it is windy too. But I do have to watch my skinny hands don't get cold. I think your husband is stuck, he just is not a cold weather person. I found a website with epinions on your new underwear - some people like it, some people don't. It does say it is for weather cooler than 55F, which to me is not cold at all. To me cold has to be at least below freezing. It also sounds like this new underwear does require that you move around a fair bit before it works. You will have to let us know how it works. |
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From: Longblades
Date: 07-18-2006, 03:16 PM (18 of 18)
| MotherInLaw, I can't believe none of us thought of this before. My DH brought it up when I told him of this thread. Maybe your husband should ask his doctor why he is always so cold. I know feeling the cold is a symptom of low thyroid function and I've heard that poor circulation can also make people feel cold. Before my hypothyroidism was diagnosed I was the only one wearing a wool undershirt at work. Movement kept me warm but sitting at my desk I was always freezing and no one else was. |
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