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From: ckmom002
Date: 06-19-2006, 08:39 PM (1 of 17)
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im looking to buy some patterns from simplicity and mccalls, they are so expensive so i was going to see if anyone had anything they wanted to get rid of they are mostly baby and toddler patterns and a few craft patterns if you have some i can email you my list its pretty long so i didnt want to post it here thank you so much ami |
User: ckmom002
Member since: 06-11-2006 Total posts: 105 |
From: woodywoodpecker
Date: 06-19-2006, 10:25 PM (2 of 17)
| Are you anywhere close to any second-hand stores? They usually have cheap patterns. I buy alot from them as they are only .25. Most crafts and childrens clothes don't really change that much, and you can always check out the net and catalogues to make changes to keep things in style. They usually have material as well that other people have donated that is cheap and about the right size for kid stuff. |
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From: Chrysantha
Date: 06-19-2006, 11:48 PM (3 of 17)
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JoAnn's always has $1.99 or $.99 cent sales...plus if you go to the site and register for their mailings, you will get coupons in the snail mail and online.
Chrys
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User: Chrysantha
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From: paroper
Date: 06-20-2006, 09:30 AM (4 of 17)
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Hancocks and Joanne's both rotate their pattern sales. The latest sales from Hancocks are 75% off. (75% off on Vogue is usually as low as it goes.) Sometimes they are 1.99 but often they are .99. Hobby Lobby also has pattern sales now and again. I know that the stores don't make a lot of money from the patterns when they sell them this way so the stores keep looking for more profitable methods. However, this is a great help for the seamstress! Reselling/trading patterns is a delicate subject. I know that it is done but you are dealing with copywrite material. Technically the pattern should only be made by and for the person who purchases it. If two people come to you to have you make a garment from one pattern techinically each should have their own pattern. I haven't heard any nightmare stories about pattern police coming after people in the middle of the night or anything but we need to be careful about how this is handled in a public forum, esp since we are seeing the equivilent of this happening in the areas of machine embroidery. pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
User: paroper
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From: stephi
Date: 06-20-2006, 09:52 AM (5 of 17)
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http://stores.ebay.com/Short-Shorts-by-Sailors-Paradise_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQQtZkm This is my FAVORITE seller on ebay because her prices are awesome and she has just about every pattern you could possibly want for dirt cheap...I have to keep myself from getting on too often to see what she has because I buy way too many!!! But check her out, her shipping is super duper cheap and fast too!!! 
Stephi
"No body knows what it is that I do until I dont do it" "if you do what you have always done you will get what you have always gotten" |
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Member since: 03-17-2006 Total posts: 361 
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From: DorothyL
Date: 06-20-2006, 10:35 AM (6 of 17)
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Stephi -- Are those patterns new when you get them? Dorothy |
User: DorothyL
Member since: 12-09-2002 Total posts: 3883 |
From: guppie
Date: 06-20-2006, 01:54 PM (7 of 17)
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My goodness, Pam! Does that mean if adult twins come to me and ask for the same pattern made for each of them (same size), then I have to ask them for 2 patterns? Oh, what is this world coming to? Embroidery designs I can understand. And maybe using the same pattern, different size, for friends, too. But for buying a pattern that has never been used, from a private party? Oh dear, so much to think about and so little room left in my overloaded gray and white matter upstairs! 
Cathy
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User: guppie
Member since: 12-29-2004 Total posts: 43 
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From: paroper
Date: 06-20-2006, 02:20 PM (8 of 17)
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That is my understanding. The companies allow certain businesses to sell their patterns under contract. The patterns are sold to an individual for individual use. That person can make many garments for themselves from that pattern but the pattern is sold for a specific purpose for use by that person. They can also contract to supply that pattern and fabrics to another person to have them make the garment FOR them. I don't know the fine parts of the law. For instance if a single bride buys a pattern to be used for her brides maids (say 4 of them) and the pattern is used for that single purpose and returned to the bride if it is technically illegal or not. In the strictest sense, the bride purchased the pattern and it is being used for the single purpose for which it was bought but it is also making a garment for several different girls from one pattern, which appears to be a violation. If an individual bridesmaid brings her pattern and asks you to make a garment for her and when you are through to make a garment from the same pattern for another person...technically that is not allowed. The patterns are copywritten. You may not make up a pattern and sell the finished the product. The rule appears to be one pattern per person. Multiple garments for that single person from the same pattern are fine. Garments made for multiple people from the same pattern are not. As far as reselling the patterns that have not been used? I don't know. In the strictest sense, it appears that it should not be allowed. It is like that grey area that will happen when I die. Will my husband be allowed to legally sell my licensed CD's that say they are copywritten, sold specifically to me and cannot be sold? I even have a program that is licensed to this specific ADDRESS. What happen if I move? I don't know. pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
User: paroper
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From: Patty22
Date: 06-20-2006, 02:48 PM (9 of 17)
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Ahhhhh copyright issues...... Not that I would want to add fuel to this topic, but although I understand the issues, I don't necessarily agree with some of the finer points. Let's take for instance a woman replicates an antique quilt....hmmmmm...let's say it's from the 1860's, and it has some interesting "folk type" blocks that she drafts the patterns to put in a book. Even though she technically did not invent these patterns, she has them in her book and she gives the quilt a name. A woman purchases the book, makes a quilt top using her patterns from the book. This individual now has some unusual life circumstances and must sell her quilt top to pay some unforeseen bills. She puts her quilt top on eBay. Oh my, the author of the book sees her quilt and wants to protect her copyrighted pattern and tells the seller that she should have asked permission to sell the quilt top and insists she gets a percentage of the sale. Hmmmm.....oh wait, I'm not making this up........ Do I agree with this, no, and hence, that is why I don't like to use quilt patterns from books - I'm not talking quilt block patterns that are under public domain, but quilt patterns where a specific design is created. What infurated me in this situation is that the author of the book was copying an antique quilt and therefore wasn't the "original designer". I was in the process of making those blocks for a quilt and reading about this flaming situation on another forum quite a few years ago made me get off and quit making the blocks. Want a sticker situation.....if you have your work photographed (say for example your work is published in a magazine and needs to to professionally photographed)....the photographer owns the rights to the image although you are the artist.  and if your photograph is later used again, lets say for a different publication, the photographer needs to be credited and possibly financially compensated (depending on the kind of arrangement you have for their services). Don't think that clothing companies don't go around looking at other lines of clothing and tweaking their designs for their own lines  I don't see them saying Simplicity patterns in the style of Gunnie Sax of the '70's......or Simplicity in the style of Betsy Johnson from the 70's.....and I could swear some of the current patterns coming out scream 70's...... Oh well, off the soapbox........ Patty
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User: Patty22
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From: stephi
Date: 06-20-2006, 03:37 PM (10 of 17)
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Yes the patterns I have bought from her are new and prestine!! On the copy right issue...What if said quilt maker names the quilt "Betsy" would we also be infringing on another law? The seamstress of the greatest flag ever made shouldnt have her name thrown around mearly because some one feels that thier work deserves the honor of such name! And if my name was martha and I created everyday stuff you lived with would it also be unlawfull for me to call it "martha everyday living" how can thier truly be a trademark or copy right on a name that is really just a name?? Back to tha pattern, once you have cut the pattern its yours. Whats the chances of someone buying the same material and the same pattern?? I have no problem charging a few extra dollars over cost for my time and effort, not for the product...Much like shipping and handling 
Stephi
"No body knows what it is that I do until I dont do it" "if you do what you have always done you will get what you have always gotten" |
User: stephi
Member since: 03-17-2006 Total posts: 361
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From: paroper
Date: 06-20-2006, 05:26 PM (11 of 17)
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My sister was in school at Johns Hopkins in the early 60's. While there she took a trip to NYC and purchased some lovely red wool, visited a very special store and purchased individual lovely gold buttons for the garment and went to another store and purchased an imported pattern to make a red wool suit. Since she was in graduate school, she didn't have time to finish the garment while in Baltimore. She took her time, did a full tailored job, bound button holes, etc and came back to Oklahoma where she took a job at a major university as a teacher. The first Sunday that the suit was finished (in the winter), she wore the suit to church. There she ran into the exact same suit, down to the bound button holes and buttons on the body of the minister's wife. My sister never wore that suit again. The minister's wife had also made her suit. The odds of that happening? I would think very slim but it can happen. My daughter personally came up with some fads while she was in high school. On at least 3 seperate occasions, she invented something that became popular and appeared in major department stores and then everywhere about a year and half after she came up with the ideas. One of my sewing clients created an original garment for her daughter out of her old polyester dress scraps. Within the year, her dress, down to the exact colors appeared in one of the major 3 pattern catalogs with a recomendation to use the exact fabric she used. There are people who do steal designs and sell them as their own. I've seen it. pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
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From: paroper
Date: 06-20-2006, 05:41 PM (12 of 17)
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Personally, I feel that if I purchase something and pay good money for it, it should be mine. I understand the copywrite thing and I hate to be a problem but it just seems to me that when I purchase something I should be able to use it as I want. If I purchase the sheet music, why can't I sing it when/where I want? If I purchase an embroidery pattern.... Truth is though that we just all need to be aware that there are copywrite issues, they are important and carry some hefty consequences. The more that we choose to observe the guidelines voluntarily, the less likely that the rules will need to be enforced. Rather than openly advocate activities that MIGHT be in violation of the rules, I think that it is important that the board be above reproach on the subject and that we should try to raise awareness where we can. pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
User: paroper
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From: DorothyL
Date: 06-20-2006, 05:44 PM (13 of 17)
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Stephi -- The reason I asked if those patterns were new when you got them is- if they are then one could reasonably suppose that lady is buying them for a buck at Joannes and reselling them to you for $5. Just a thought. Dorothy |
User: DorothyL
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From: Patty22
Date: 06-20-2006, 06:32 PM (14 of 17)
Oh Pam, I agree wholeheartedly about the board being above reproach and not getting into any activity that has stipulations already attached.... I merely added about the "hypothetical" pattern from book situation because although the book was purchased, there were stiupations attached to any quilts made. I wouldn't have thought so back then and I'm sure it shocked many grassroot homesewers/quilters. Let's face it....today we're dealing with issues that our ancestors wouldn't have given a second thought. The issue of intellectual property makes me  My gosh, all I can say about the red wool suit and the fads of your daughter is that your family comes from a trend setting gene pool. And who would have thought the minister's wife would make a red wool suit.....it just makes my mind wander 
Patty
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User: Patty22
Member since: 03-29-2006 Total posts: 1194 |
From: paroper
Date: 06-20-2006, 06:44 PM (15 of 17)
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The major difference between my sister and me (besides the fact that she was 9 years older)? I would have walked up to her, complimented her on her fine taste and I would have worn the suit when I pleased (but that's just me).
pam
Bernina 200e, Artista V5 Designer Plus, Explorations, Magic Box, Bernina 2000DE & 335 Bernette Serger, Bernina 1530 Sewing Machine, Bernina 1300 DC Overlock (with coverstitch) |
User: paroper
Member since: 02-03-2004 Total posts: 3775 |
From: Longblades
Date: 06-22-2006, 09:51 AM (16 of 17)
| When I was in high school two girls bought the same pattern, used similar material in close colours and wore their new dresses to school for the first time on the same day. What are the odds? |
User: Longblades
Member since: 07-14-2005 Total posts: 182 |
From: MissTaraTara
Date: 06-22-2006, 06:51 PM (17 of 17)
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As far as reselling the patterns that have not been used? I don't know. In the strictest sense, it appears that it should not be allowed. It is like that grey area that will happen when I die. Will my husband be allowed to legally sell my licensed CD's that say they are copywritten, sold specifically to me and cannot be sold? I even have a program that is licensed to this specific ADDRESS. What happen if I move? I don't know. I think printed paper patterns are different from CD's and software. With paper patterns you can see if they have been used/cut. Software and CD's can always be used/installed and passed on which is why most all companies will say that there are no returns on opened software but you can exchange it for the exact same title only. I purchase "second hand" printed patterns all the time. Of course, they must be new, uncut and in "factory folds" before I will consider making a purchase. I, myself, have lots of brand new patterns that I am selling. They have never been used, only purchased and stored, and are now taking up too much space. Can't just give them away as I haven't yet planted my money tree! Patterns that I have used and no longer want are recycled. P.S. What I find laughable is that designs on CD, disk, and even some software state that the products cannot even be given away! Does this include immediate family....whatever. I don't know either, Paroper, maybe I am unable to see the big picture. I must add that I now read the copyright on about everything I buy.....it helps me decide it I really want something or not  .
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User: MissTaraTara
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