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From: Butterflyrf71
Date: 07-17-2006, 04:25 PM (1 of 9)
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So, I have this nifty new machine and a horizontal spool pin - which I never had before. I understand using the spool caps - but does the thread go through the cap, or just kind of wind out from under the spool? The pictures in my manual are not clear enough, the descriptions do not say where the thread end is. Also, my manual says the spool cap should be larger than the spool, but when using the quilting thread, the large spools, none of the caps fit. The large thread is also to big and wobbly to use on the extra vertical spool pin. Suggestions? What am I missing here, lol. All this confusion over a horizontal spool pin cause I've never used one before now. Thanks! You Lord, give perfect peace to those who keep their purpose firm, and place their trust in you. Isaiah 26:3, AV
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User: Butterflyrf71
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From: DorothyL
Date: 07-17-2006, 04:43 PM (2 of 9)
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The cap just keeps the spool from sliding back and forth on the pin and the thread from winding around the spool. The thread goes on the outside of the cap. You want to use the big one so the thread is held out from the pin a bit. Just put the spool on and hold the thread out while you slide the cap on and up against the spool. There is a new product in the new Threads magazine that you use to keep your thread from wobbling around when you use the vertical pin. I don't know how well it works but I did some satin stitching stitching with a spool of serger thread on the vertical pin not to long ago and, while it worked OK, that kind of gadget would have helped. It is called a Deelybob and is at Deelybob.com. Dorothy |
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From: Sancin
Date: 07-17-2006, 06:41 PM (3 of 9)
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I have 2 machines that use a horizontal pin holder. My Elna has a hole in the disc that holds the thread on and the thread goes through that - tho it isn't a total hole - it has a track to the hole so that I suppose if it wasn't through the hole it wouldn't matter (but would likely catch in the track as it went past the disc). With both my machines, the disc circles around the pin as the thread goes past it when I am sewing, but I don't think it actually has anything to do with tension or how the thread behaves. Re device to keep spool from wobbling. I notice some threads do not have the same size hole and do wobble but have never noticed that it interfered with the stitch. FYI - I read in an instruction manual for a machine that comes with a little red felt disk to place on the thread spool that it makes no difference what so ever to the stitches, it is simply there to keep the thread quiet while on the pin. I think some sewing tips start like cutting the meat to fit it into the pan, rather than to assist in the cooking. 
*~*~*~* Nancy*~*~*~* " I try to take one day at a time - but sometimes several days attack me at once."
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User: Sancin
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From: DorothyL
Date: 07-17-2006, 07:26 PM (4 of 9)
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I don't think it makes a difference in the stitch quality either but it sure did shake, rattle and roll with the satin stitch, Dorothy |
User: DorothyL
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From: paroper
Date: 07-17-2006, 08:00 PM (5 of 9)
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Most machines have two spindles...one horizontal and one vertical. Often the vertical spindle goes some odd place and frequently does not come attached to the machine. One of mine had a little triangle piece on it and slipped between the very top piece of my machine and the body of the machine on the back corner...some fit in a hole...they can go many places. The thing is that if your thread is cross wound so that it crosses itself like many European threads, it does better laying down or sitting up a little further from the machine than usual, as on a free standing stand. If you have a large end of your spool and a narrow end you can often lay these with the large end toward the left so that the thread goes over the larger end as it spools off. The idea is that for some reason it is less likely to tangle and twist as it spools. The old fashioned American thread that is wound more like your bobbin often does better standing up. pam
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From: plrlegal
Date: 07-17-2006, 10:14 PM (6 of 9)
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Butterfly: Try putting the cone of thread in a coffe cup behind your machine and thread as usual. I've done that a lot when I'm using twin needles, etc. Patsy Patsy
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User: plrlegal
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From: Butterflyrf71
Date: 07-18-2006, 11:38 AM (7 of 9)
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I am having a really bad day - but Dorothy - your description was on the nose for what I am looking at. I may try those other tricks too - we'll see when I start sewing with the horizontal spool. I've been using the vertical spool pin, with standard thread for practice. But now I've got the real thing (large spool of 100% cotton thread) for my quilting and I want it to be right. Thanks all! You Lord, give perfect peace to those who keep their purpose firm, and place their trust in you. Isaiah 26:3, AV
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User: Butterflyrf71
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From: Tom Land
Date: 07-18-2006, 10:57 PM (8 of 9)
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Butterfly, The first concept behind the horizontal pin is that when sewing fast with a vertical pin the spool has to turn fast also. If you suddenly stop the spool is subject to backlash and wrap up under the spool. The second concept is that when using a large spool of thread that additional weight of that spool can increase the amount of tension on the upper thread. The horizontal pin eliminates both of these problems. However it does create a new one. As the thread comes off the pin the thread is twisting. For this reason metallic threads esp. flat ones like "Sliver" should be used on the vertical pin. You should always use the smallest thread cap you can but the cap should be larger than spool end. The purpose of the cap is to prevent the thread from hanging on the end of the spool causing it to get pulled to the left. Too large a cap can keep the thread from pulling off freely. Too large a hole should not affect performance on the horizontal pin but can on the vertical. If you are using large cones rather than spools Patsy's suggestion works well. There are also cone holders available that would sit behind or to the side of the machine.
Have fun or don't do it, Tom
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User: Tom Land
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From: Butterflyrf71
Date: 07-19-2006, 06:53 AM (9 of 9)
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Thanks to all of you - I gave it a whirl last night and bingo - it worked perfectly! Tom - I saw exactly what you mean. When I went to the larger spool of thread for quilting and moved it to the horizontal pin, the tension was soooo much better. I never realized. The cotton thread I purchased is wound up and down the spool - vs. the normal way most dual duty thread is wound, like a bobbin. The horizontal pin was just what I wanted/needed to use. I will change the spool cap to the smallest one that fits the spool end - I was using a slightly larger one, thinking it had to cover the entire spool (and thread) end - but mine was not biug enough to do so - so in the end - I didn't get caught up on the spool end. I followed my machine instruction pictures, which showed the htread end leading out from under the spool towards the front of the machine - then threaded the machine - it looks funny, but seems to be just right. It's so nice to have some experts to come to for advice! You Lord, give perfect peace to those who keep their purpose firm, and place their trust in you. Isaiah 26:3, AV
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User: Butterflyrf71
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