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From: sewhappyrtr
Date: 11-12-2006, 09:45 PM (1 of 18)
Hey,, all the wonderful crafty people here. I have the Brother ULT2003D embroidery machine, and I bought it second hand so no help from the store for this. I need any and all secrets for hooping fabric firmly and easily. I have tried recently to try my hand at some embroidery and I have fits trying to keep the fabric and stabilizer tight in the hoop.. I have been trying on denim shirts, and just cotton fabric and whenever I try to stretch the fabric too make sure it is tight,, it all pops up out of the hoop. GRRRRRR Help  ::
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User: sewhappyrtr
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From: plrlegal
Date: 11-13-2006, 01:31 AM (2 of 18)
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Does your hoop have any way to tighten it once the fabric and stabilizer are in the hoop? My hoops have a screw mechanism at the bottom to tighten that keeps the fabric and stabilizer taut during the embroidery process? Patsy Patsy
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User: plrlegal
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From: lendube
Date: 11-13-2006, 12:47 PM (3 of 18)
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I haven't had a need but I've heard you can use that non-skid shelf liner to hold fabric between the hoops. Just glue a strip on the inside of the larger hoop. Just an idea. Lennie 
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From: paroper
Date: 11-13-2006, 02:50 PM (4 of 18)
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Put the big hoop on a table and then the fabric and then ease the top hoop into it. I've long since given up on the hooping thing though. I hoop my stabilizer so tight that it pings when I touch it. Then I spray my stabilizer with 505 and lay the fabric on top. I've found that I center the fabric better/easier and there is little chance of stretching the fabric if I LAY it on the stabilizer. After I have secured the fabric I use pins all the way around the outside edge just inside the hoop, very close together OR I use a basting stitch to secure the garment. Some garments, even with the spray will pull loose because of the weight of the garment or the texture of the fabric. Always remember, you are stabilizing the FABRIC, not the design. pam
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User: paroper
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From: sewhappyrtr
Date: 11-13-2006, 07:04 PM (5 of 18)
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what is 505? I have tried to hoop on a table, I have tried the iron on stabilizer, and sticky kind. Haven't tried wash away kind yet. Whenever I screw the screw tighter, and try to pull on the fabric.. out pops the top hoop GRRRR Do you now pull gently on the fabric at all the sides and cornors to make sure it is taut???? |
User: sewhappyrtr
Member since: 08-01-2006 Total posts: 43 |
From: LegalDealer
Date: 11-13-2006, 10:03 PM (6 of 18)
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Hey wait a minute! I think I read somewhere that fabric should NOT be pulled after it is in the hoop to make it taut. Because it will cause an uneven stretch of the fabric to one side or another. I say hoop the stabilizer and the fabric together on the table with the bottom hoop below, then apply the top hoop straight down. Also, that spray adhesive works great, I also have used a fabric stick glue when I was testing out a design. Good luck! |
User: LegalDealer
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From: Pudge99
Date: 11-14-2006, 09:47 AM (7 of 18)
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Yep! I heard that too. Not only that but I have done it and my design has come out all wonkered. What I do now is tighten the screw as tight as it will go and still let me push the top of the hoop in. I lay it on the table and push the top in then leaving it on the table I tighten the screw the rest of the way. Lately though I have been doing the sticky method (hoop the stabilizer and spray it will quilt basting spray then lay the fabric on top). Works wonders when what you are embroidering is too small or stretchy to hoop. Gina
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From: paroper
Date: 11-14-2006, 09:57 AM (8 of 18)
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You don't want to pull the fabric. That is one of the reasons I've gone "hoopless". 505 Is a spray adhesive. It holds well and does not gum up your needle. If properly sprayed (on your stabilizer) it will almost always wash out.
pam
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User: paroper
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From: Tom Land
Date: 11-14-2006, 08:14 PM (9 of 18)
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My wife does it like Pam but shes a girl. I hoop "sticky" with the backing still on it. Then score the backing along the inside of the hoop and lift it off. Then place the garment on the "sticky". If you must hoop, a round hoop will hold the fabric better because it provides an even pull in all directions.
Have fun or don't do it, Tom
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User: Tom Land
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From: paroper
Date: 11-15-2006, 09:48 AM (10 of 18)
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Tom, are you saying I hoop like a GIRL??? Hmmmmm.... Well, I throw a baseball like one too.
pam
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From: plrlegal
Date: 11-15-2006, 10:41 AM (11 of 18)
Yeah Tom and she shoots "granny" shots with a basketball.  Patsy Patsy
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User: plrlegal
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From: paroper
Date: 11-15-2006, 11:15 AM (12 of 18)
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That's low...actually, I can shoot a basketball...but my bowling.....well, we're not going there. I'm a fantastic pin ball player though.
pam
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From: sewhappyrtr
Date: 11-17-2006, 10:10 PM (13 of 18)
So how do you use the embroidery machine and embroider without a hoop??? Especially on the Brother machine with the Disney designs? So I am not to stretch the fabric while hooping it??? I guess I was told wrong.. wish you guys were closer for one on one help 
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User: sewhappyrtr
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From: Tom Land
Date: 11-18-2006, 10:01 AM (14 of 18)
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So how do you use the embroidery machine and embroider without a hoop??? Especially on the Brother machine with the Disney designs? So I am not to stretch the fabric while hooping it??? I guess I was told wrong.. wish you guys were closer for one on one help You still use a hoop. You just don't put the fabric between the two pieces. Instead the fabric just lays on top of the hoop. This is what Pam was talking about with the 505 and I mentioned "Sticky". Both ways work well. It is probably less expensive to do it Pam's way. (I have the luxury of getting everything wholesale). I used to think my way was faster and easier but I don't think that is really the case. Just be sure not to spray the 505 any where near the machine or where the mist can drift to the machine. Have you checked with your local dealer? Often a dealer won't help if the machine was purchased over the internet but ussually welcomes someone that purchased the machine used from an individual. Have fun or don't do it, Tom
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User: Tom Land
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From: allie-oops
Date: 11-18-2006, 11:47 PM (15 of 18)
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I started working at a Viking sewing gallery in June, and I was told that the folks at Viking no longer hoop the fabric. Now, I hoop my stabilizer, but I "pop" the inner hoop out - I never tighten it down with the screw, it gets distorted. I just pop that hoop in and out, making sure it's tight to begin with, but not so tight that I can't get it out. Then, I lay the fabric on top. I don't use a spray, I use the "fix" stitch to baste around the fabric before I stitch the design. This has worked really, really well for me. If your machine doesn't have a fix stitch that will do automatic basting, there are free design sites that have the stitches for the different hoops. Or you can try pinning in place - I've done that also, with heavy garments like denim jackets. Just make sure your pins are outside of your design area. I hate the spray, and I hate the sticky stabilizer, lol. Allie "onward through the fog"
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User: allie-oops
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From: sewhappyrtr
Date: 11-20-2006, 08:04 PM (16 of 18)
I guess I am dumb.. It seems to me that your fabric would slide all over if it wasn't hooped.. and the trouble I have when trying to machine embroider.. I don't need the fabric sliding around. I guess I can't picture how it would stay together to make the end result look good. Maybe I should try it on a scrap piece of fabric to see. I had been working only with denim and that can be so heavy and stiff, course it was shirts for my dear husband that were already together so that made it harder going around the seams and such. sigh sigh sigh.. maybe I will get it one day. Thanks
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User: sewhappyrtr
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From: mamadus
Date: 11-21-2006, 07:37 PM (17 of 18)
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sewhappyrtr... your fabric doesn't slide around, because you either use spray adhesive or you baste, or sometimes both..LOL like paroper, I almost never hoop anymore... I have arthritis in my hands and I'm lucky to be able to hoop my stabilizer, let alone the fabric along with it... and I do find I get much less distortion using the hoopless method... personally, I'm thinking of buying stock in Dritz (makers of 505) for me it ranks right up there as one of the best tools I have for embroidery... MO life is too short, not to explore
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User: mamadus
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From: paroper
Date: 11-21-2006, 07:39 PM (18 of 18)
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Your fabric is glued to the stabilizer or it is pinned or it is basted. You don't have to deal with upteen pieces of fabric while you are doing the actual hooping and you can lay your project on the hoop without stretching so that is it not only straight on the hoop but it is where you want it. I prefer to always use 505. It sticks well if sprayed on the stabilizer for almost all fabrics. Some people don't use the spray. The sticky stabilizers work well for many people. I've used them and I have them but I don't particularly like the sticky tear away that feels like fly-paper. It is the only thing you can use on a Hoop it All. (By the way with a Hoop it All hoop, all you can do is do it hoopless and use sticky paper...it is a one-piece hoop. Some people use the spray and do not pin or baste. I do both. I have done some pretty heavy projects and found that the weight of the portion of the project away from the hoop can pull the hooped portion off without something to hold it there. When I pin the garment (whatever) to the hoop, I overlap the pins on the inside of the hoop but out of the stitch field so much that it would hold without the spray. The reason that I use the spray is that if the project has a tendency to stretch (even some wovens will do that on the bias), the sticky glue will keep it against the stabilizer and not allow the project to stretch. If you do this once or twice, you'll be amazed at how easy and stressless it can be!!! Remember! Only spray the stabilizer. I can't explain it but it will wash out of the stabilzer but the glue WILL RARELY wash out of the garment if it is sprayed directly on the fabric. One other thing...when doing things that are in a tight space or seem to be a hassle, turn it wrong side out, put the wrong side on the hoop and embroider through the largest opening. This often gives you more fabric to work with around the hoop rather than trying to push all the excess out of the way from underneath..another thing that makes you go hmmmmmmm? pam
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