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Sew What's New Archive > HEALTH & WELLNESS > WORLD EVENTS-SPEAK OUT

From: MaryW

Date: 02-18-2002, 06:20 AM (1 of 175)

The Olympics have been pretty interesting so far. Canada received the gold medal for skating, David Pelletier and Jamie Sale will be very popular for a long time. Boy, are they a good looking couple too. Wonder if they are an item? Hmm.

What about that disgusting thing down in Georgia. They have found over 200 bodies in and around that crematorium. I would not bring this morbid topic up, but the poor families that thought their loved ones had been put to rest must be horrified.

And to think this has been going on for years and years. The whole county has been declared a disaster area.

Cloning, now there is a controversy. They have successfully cloned a cat. they call him CC, short for carbon copy. What do you think of cloning?

I think, myself personally, (don't hit me now) that it is a necessary scientific step towards better things and perhaps bring new chances for people in the future. But to clone an animal, or worse yet, a human, for the sake of having them "back" so to speak is morally wrong.

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From: malibucat

Date: 02-18-2002, 08:51 AM (2 of 175)

You didn't know that David and Jamie are an item? http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/wink.gif

I've got to wonder about the crematorium though....how come people didn't ask where the ashes were? Unless they all refused to take them...more than 200 bodies they said this morning....this place has been stacking them up for years. Plus, the state of Georgia has only 2 inspectors...and they don't send the inspectors to crematoriums that do not deal with the public. This one in particular only dealt with funeral homes. Pretty gruesome picture this paints....

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From: MaryW

Date: 02-18-2002, 09:49 AM (3 of 175)

Nope, didn't know about David and Jamie, enlighten me, oh wise one! LOL

Everyone was sent an urn full of ashes. One was taken to a lab, and they found ashes mixed with soil and whatever. That is part of the reason it went on for so long.

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From: farmlady62_99

Date: 02-18-2002, 04:16 PM (4 of 175)

Well, I thought the Canadian pair were married! They are just an all around class act and ditto the Russian couple.
As for the 'ugh' crematorium thing...this is the first I've heard about that but it certainly sounds gruesome. Those poor families and has anyone suggested why this happened? Did they resell the caskets? I don't know anyone that would pay for a used one! But I can't imagine any other reason for doing such a grizzly thing!
And my view on cloning is that to try to clone a human....absolutely not! Can see cloning some types of cells for medicinal purposes but not humans. Anyone who's ego is so huge that they want a clone of themselves is.....well, I rest my case! And there is no way you can clone a personality as we each are products of not just our genes but our life experiences.
Ok...stepped down from my soapbox now....NEXT???????? lololol

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From: malibucat

Date: 02-18-2002, 06:52 PM (5 of 175)

Wow...didn't hear they were giving urns with dirt lol....no wonder they were getting away with it. The news tonight said there are four buildings to go through....and the remains have mummified...so it will take that much longer to go through.

I agree with you Sharon on cloning...cells yes, but entire animals or humans, no. I see no good purpose to that at all. Anyone with an ego that big needs to be shot down... http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/rolleyes.gif

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From: MaryW

Date: 02-18-2002, 07:48 PM (6 of 175)

Apparently, there is a very, very rich man that has a desire to bring his dog back. He helped finance the studies and experiments.

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From: plrlegal

Date: 02-18-2002, 11:21 PM (7 of 175)

Pllleeasseee!!! Aren't there enough homeless animals running loose in the streets and in animal shelters without the need to clone more (at least here in the U.S., anyway)?

As for cloning human beings, have they figured out how to clone the soul and conscience that a human being is naturally born with? I don't think so and what they are proposing is a race of people that have no souls and no conscience as to right and wrong. The world has enough things wrong with it without introducing that problem also.

Okay next soapbox spokesperson!!!!

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From: MaryW

Date: 02-19-2002, 09:50 AM (8 of 175)

Andrea Yates trial started yesterday. She is the young mother who is admits drowning her 5 children in the bathtub. She voluntarily told police she killed her children, is she insane?

She had been suffering from post-partum depression for quite a while. She also home-schooled her children. The oldest was 7, the youngest was 6 months. Looks to me like everyone ignored her problems and there were some horrific results.

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From: nance

Date: 02-19-2002, 10:26 AM (9 of 175)

You know what suprises me about the Yates case? Why wasn't the husband charged with child neglect or something?? He knew his wife was severely depressed and a danger to his kids. The very first question he asked his wife when she called and told him to come home, was, "Did you hurt one of the kids?" When she said yes, he asked which one. So he KNEW that his kids were in danger, and yet he left them. Everyone thinks he is such a great guy for sticking by his wife, but all I can think of is how he could have saved his poor children! Nance

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From: MaryW

Date: 02-19-2002, 10:39 AM (10 of 175)

Nance, I wholeheartedly agree. Andrea suffered from post-partum depression long before the last child was born. I think everyone overlooked the danger. She was stuck in the house with 5 small kids, we all know what that can do to you. She suffered from depression badly enough to need medication and everyone just went on about their business.

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From: farmlady62_99

Date: 02-19-2002, 05:16 PM (11 of 175)

Oh I think the husband needs to take quite a lot of responsibility for this tragedy. Apparently he had contacted a group who told her that she needed to be exorcised because it was Satan telling her to do things.He said he wanted them to 'help' her! They wrote letters to her prior to the deaths of those poor children. I really hope that this information is brought up in court because that certainly is what pushed her over the edge. You just don't tell someone who is as ill as she was/is that demons are in her head. So in my view......nice guy he ISN'T!

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From: jcook

Date: 02-19-2002, 06:46 PM (12 of 175)

I hope you all don't mind if I jump in here, I'm still a little bit under 40 so I know I'm supposed to sit down, be quiet, and listen. I just can't resist throwing my 2 cents into the pot though!

Cloning, I don't know, I think that there could be a lot of really good medical uses for cloned items. I just feel that there is too much about the body that we will never know and turning genes on and off is one thing I don't think can ever be conquered. Dolly the sheep is aging faster for one thing and who needs that!

As for Andrea Yates, it is really too bad that her "dear" husband isn't standing trial with her. He is guilty of all that has already been said. Freedom of religion aside, shouldn't it be common sense to seek medical help as well as praying for healing? She had a long history of this illness and he should have done all he could to prevent another pregnancy. Wasn't it after their third child was born that she tried to commit suicide? That should have been signal enough for him to help her because she was beyond being able to help herself at that point.

Next?????

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From: chris b

Date: 02-19-2002, 09:34 PM (13 of 175)

I would love to see cloning go much further and not be so restricted in this country.I have selfish reasons,I've been diabetic since the age of 9yo and I'm at 31yrs of it now and still in relatively decent health.If they would find something in the next 10 yrs I just might have a chance at a normal life expectancy. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/smile.gif

Yuck on the stuff in Ga.They said on Fox news this afternnon that the guy applied for 10 different building permits for large septic tanks(like huge ones) and was granted 3 permits in the past 5 yrs,now they think they might know why he needed them?They plan to serch them too http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/eek.gifHow could anyone do that to a family in their hour of greif?Lower than low!

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From: MaryW

Date: 02-20-2002, 08:59 AM (14 of 175)

Chris, my brother also has diabetes. He is 49 and has had it since he was 16. With all the medical knowledge they are gaining, I also have hope for a cure.

On a lighter note, Joan Collins, 68 is marrying some guy 36. Her sixth marriage. He is two years younger than her oldest child.
Explain to me what this guy sees in a 68 yr. old woman.

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From: Sheri

Date: 02-20-2002, 10:56 AM (15 of 175)

Explain to me what this guy sees in a 68 yr. old woman.[/B][/QUOTE]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$!

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From: malibucat

Date: 02-20-2002, 12:26 PM (16 of 175)

An easy income...and maybe one foot on a banana peel... http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/biggrin.gif http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/biggrin.gif

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From: Miss Vickie

Date: 02-20-2002, 12:56 PM (17 of 175)

Well, I was told to sit down and be quiet too, but I never was any good at that so here goes......

The Candian skaters......good for them to get the gold......the Russians.....if they weren't the best, there's always the silver.....

The mass grave in Georgia.......geesh, didn't anyone smell anything funny? He said the oven was broken, Sweet Jesus!! How much does that cost? So he's cheap AND has no morals!!

Andrea Yates.....I'm sorry, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the situation. All I can think about is how hard it must have been and how much of a fight those kids must have put up against the one person in the world who should protect them. I almost cry everytime I think of it. I understand that she had problems but STOP HAVING MORE KIDS!!! I agree the father is equally guilty. He had to know those kids were in danger. If I'm not mistaken he works for NASA. On his salary do you think he could afford an nanny, or at least someone to keep an eye on his wife?

Cloning.....I think we should leave well enough alone. I don't think God intended everyone to live forever in this form. None of us really know how much time we have left, so enjoy life now.

Anyway, politic can be touchy so I appologize if I offended anyone. Thanks for letting pitch in my 2 cents. =) Have a great day!!

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From: MaryW

Date: 02-20-2002, 01:26 PM (18 of 175)

I don't think you said anything to apologize for. I think this thing in Georgia is worse than we think possible. Every day there is news of something worse than the day before.
How did that guy sleep at night?

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From: Sheri

Date: 02-20-2002, 01:31 PM (19 of 175)

Originally posted by MaryW:

How did that guy sleep at night?

Like the dead?

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From: chris b

Date: 02-20-2002, 09:12 PM (20 of 175)

Me too Mary,but they have said over and over that without clonning and stem cell research they are basically at a dead end. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/frown.gifI don't want to live forever but living beyond 45yo sure would be nice.

Wonder how long the marriage will last?I'd bet a $1 not a year! http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/wink.gif

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From: jcook

Date: 02-22-2002, 05:18 PM (21 of 175)

I wanted to answer Miss Vickie's question about the Yates' salary since he worked at Nasa. My DH used to work at Nasa and has done much, much better in the outside world, so my guess is that hiring a nanny or someone to take care of his wife would have been a budgetary impossibility. It is/was a horrifying situation no matter how you look at it though.

Chris B.

Isn't there any progress at all with all the DNA/genetic work being done now? I can only imagine what it must be like for you to deal with that every day. I know, it's not as if you have a choice but I do admire the strength you must have. I'll keep you in my prayers.

The Georgia mess....

How on earth was he able to get all of those septic tanks ordered and installed without any inspections or anything? That is outrageous that this horror could have been allowed to go on for so long and all of those eyes were blind to it.

Joan Collins...

Part of me wants to say, "you go girl" and another part just thinks how desperate she must feel to be with someone her childrens' age. Oh, to be a fly on the wall and listen to the conversation, if there is anything in common to talk about.

Jill (who will try to sit down and shut up now!)

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From: chris b

Date: 02-22-2002, 10:55 PM (22 of 175)

Jill,the DNA reserch mainly deals with better meds and not a cure which really are worlds apart.Better meds keeps the side effects at bay....but eventually.I've had a horrible time the past 2 yrs with my sight.Having had several major laser treatments,so far so good but I just don't see as well as I used to~sigh~ Thanks,I need all I can get! http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/wink.gif

The Yates trail.....I wonder why he allowed her to have more children when the Dr's said after the 2nd(3rd?) she had problems.I have a hard time not wanting to hold him as accountable as her.If a Dr tells you,and you know your wife has a problem,why not just make sure you have no more children?He didn't even have to tell her?GEEZ?

You know they said that they don't even have a felony abuse of a corpse change in Ga?All they have the guy on is fraud charges.It is so sad,all of the families. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/frown.gif No words can even touch what they must be going through?Apparently there are very few inspections of anything in that state?How could a creamotoriam(sp?) not have their furnace running for over 5yrs and no one know?Makes you wonder?

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From: Woodsy

Date: 02-23-2002, 11:23 AM (23 of 175)

Chris, the JDF has been doing quite a lot of research on a cure. Though the beta cell and islet transplants have not been very successful yet they are still looking into it and other things as well. Great strides have been made in recent years and there is no reason to suppose it won't continue. I believe that attitude is half the battle. (I am diabetic too). My laser surgery has been very successful too except for the last one which left a couple of blank spots in the right eye - makes threading a needle a little hard but we learn to work around things like that. Anyway, I just wanted to tell you that you will leave long after 45. Be optimistic and go with the flow!! http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/smile.gif

About the rest of the "world news" - the evil in this world is almost unbelieveable. But I don't think we help anything by making excuses for people instead of making them own up to mistakes and attone for them in some way. I'm not talking death penalty or maybe not even prison. I just think we need a little common sense - an ever increasing rare commidty.

Speaking of common sense did you see the article on the awards for the silliest warning that they have to put on products now? One favorite was on a folding stroller - "Remove child before folding". Now really !!!!!!

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From: chris b

Date: 02-23-2002, 12:27 PM (24 of 175)

Oh,IMHO,attitude IS everything.Guess I was just reacting to the statement that no one can live forever.Guess that is easy to say if it isn't you or your child.Yes,I know there is a DR in Canada that has had about the best sucess with the islet transplants.The biggest problem is that there aren't enough to go around,this is where the cloning come in.If they could clone the cells they have?My Dr told me last visit that the clinical trials on the inhalable insulin have started and he wouldn't be surprised to see it on the market within 2 years.Not a cure,but a better treatment

Sorry to hear about your laser treatments.The biggest problem I have at the moment is I have swelling behind the retina in my right eye.At present it is very small,but last year at this time it was iffy about whether the treatments were going to save the sight.I still have blurry spots in my near vision if I close my left eye,but that is alot better than no sight at all!Most of what I've noticed is that when going from light to dark takes longer to adjust to than it used to.Guess I have a slight night blindness now?

I agree totally about the being responable for your own actions.

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From: Sewhappie

Date: 02-23-2002, 05:28 PM (25 of 175)

Cloning...if it is used to help science find out why gene cells develop the way they do and what it is that causes them tko not develop correctly. I have no problem, but to re-create a living thing, no!!! One of me is enough!!!!

David & Jamie.... I heard that David has just gotten a divorce from his wife and is living with Jamie, but that they are an " on and off" couple, both very strong willed. I still think that they are great!!!

Andrea....I also suffer from depression and take medication for it. I can understand how low a person can get and how it affects your thoughts. Knowing this, I can see where her husband was not admitting to himself that she has a problem and that it is also HIS problem. Depression is not something that affects just one person in the family, it affects the WHOLE FAMILY!! He seemd to me like a man who, if he doesn't admit that there is an "ILLINESS" with his wife, them is doesn't exist at all.

As for Georgia.... I think, what is more upsetting, is the fact that a man could walk into an elemetary school, with a hammer and attack an 8 year old girl, by stricking her in the head with the claw end. He didn't know the child, has no children of his own in the school, HOW is it possible that he could just walk into the school!!!!!!!! I undertand that he also has some mental health problems, but how can schools be so relaxed about people entering their doors???
When I go to our local High School to pick up my son, I'm greeted at the door by a police officer that is at the school during the entire school day. I'm questioned as to why I'm there and I'D checked.

As for people sitting down and shutting up...DON'T!!! Your two cents is very important to hear, YOU just may have the solution to the problem, so please speak out loud and long!!!!

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From: chris b

Date: 02-24-2002, 10:41 AM (26 of 175)

When did that happen in Ga?I haven't heard a thing about that?When and where did it happen?We were talking about the creamatorim story?I heard last night that they are up to over 300 now.How awful that some crazy person attacked a child?

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From: Sewhappie

Date: 02-24-2002, 01:45 PM (27 of 175)

Chris,

I heard about the little girl on Friday morning, it must have happened on Wednesday or Thursday. They say that she will be okay.
Yes, I have also heard about the creamtion story, last count on CNN was 293 bodies. That was lastnight ( Sat), how could someone be so disrepectful of the dead and their families! They say that "what comes around goes around", you just wonder what it is that will be his punishment when his day comes.

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From: Sewhappie

Date: 02-24-2002, 01:49 PM (28 of 175)

Chris
Are you the same one from Zanesville that is on Sewing World.com?

Sewhappie

Naomi

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From: chris b

Date: 02-24-2002, 07:17 PM (29 of 175)

Yep,Naomi,it's me,one in the same. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/smile.gifI'm assuming you are our Naomi from Ohio?How nice to see you here too! http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/smile.gif

I'm glad to hear that the little girl is going to be OK.How awful it would be to get over something like that,especially a child.They always need a reason why things happen. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/frown.gif

Fox is sayibng that the lastest count is 306 and they think some of the bodies have been there for atleast 15 yrs.How in the world could you not notice the smell?Funeral homes delievered the bodies so someone had to be around once in awhile.

Did you hear they are calling this years Olympics the "Whinners Olympics"? http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/wink.gif LOL

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From: Sewhappie

Date: 02-24-2002, 08:30 PM (30 of 175)

Chris,
I'm so glad that it is you!!!! How are your cats doing, I remember that you had a touch and go for a while with your one. I have recused another siamese. Babe hisses at everyone and everything!!! She is SLOWLY coming out of her shell with me, but will be a good time before she really relaxes.
My daughter is at Kent State so we get to babysit her three hamsters!!!! Oh yeah, we got to meet the new boyfriend today!!! He's very nice and is planning on going into the Army next month ( dad liked hearing that!!)
My son finally got his drivers license and 6 days later totaled his sisters car!!! Dad let him drive it to school and it was snowing, he had not driven in snow yet!!! So dad is in the dog house with junior!!!!

Did you see that they are taking back some medals because of dopping? Is was sad to see the hockey team lose, but if they had to lose to someone I'm glad is was Canada. Hey, what had it been like today up there? Bet it had been wild!!! Congrats to you!!!

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From: chris b

Date: 02-25-2002, 10:23 AM (31 of 175)

I lost Pinkie back in Dec.She was such a beautiful calico.The vet wasn't sure if it was kidney failure or feline Lukemia.She tested positive for the latter.I had no idea that the vaccine doesn't work on all cats but the vet said that about 15% it's ineffective. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/frown.gif All of the others are fine.So now I have 8 outside and 3 inside.I have 1 outside that runs by me and doesn't really like to be touched.She'll take food from my hand,but no touching.She'll lay on her back 2 feet from me and just wiggle everywhere but I'm allowed no closer.Guess I should've handled her more when she was a kitten.Good luck with the rescue,someday she will trust you.

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From: MaryW

Date: 03-01-2002, 10:44 AM (32 of 175)

Welcome you two, you seem to be friends already.

What about that little girl that went missing outside of San Diego. They found her the other day on the side of the road.

They have a neighbour in custody. What is going on that someone can break into your home, take your child out of his/her bed and commit such a horrific crime. Do we all have to live behind bars in order to keep children safe?

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From: Sheri

Date: 03-01-2002, 11:22 AM (33 of 175)

Originally posted by MaryW:
What about that little girl that went missing outside of San Diego. They found her the other day on the side of the road.

Yes, they found her about 5 miles from where I live.

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From: chris b

Date: 03-01-2002, 12:28 PM (34 of 175)

That is exactly what I thought about the Danielle VanDame case.I don't have kids,but I couldn't image putting my babies to bed and never seeing them alive again.It's an awful world we live in sometimes.My heart breaks for her parents.It would almost make you want to put an alarm directly on your child,like those ones for little kids that sound off when they get more than so many feet away.

Yes,we know each other from another board and both live in the same state but at opposite ends. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/smile.gif

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From: MaryW

Date: 03-01-2002, 12:28 PM (35 of 175)

These type of abductions seem to be so invasive and personal. Going inside someone's home and taking their child is such a brazen act.

MaryW
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From: Sheri

Date: 03-01-2002, 12:50 PM (36 of 175)

I heard on the news right after they found her that it wasbeing looked at as a sex crime. I know it's not very Christian of me but I do hope while he's in prison he is tortured and killed in as violent a way as Danielle was.

I believe if they put him in with the general population, he won't live more than a few years. Even the hardened criminals don't look too kindly on people who abuse kids.

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From: MaryW

Date: 03-01-2002, 12:53 PM (37 of 175)

Sheri, that is what my husband thinks as well.

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From: jcook

Date: 03-01-2002, 01:05 PM (38 of 175)

What is really sad is that with our "justice" system, this horrible excuse for a human being will be protected in jail when the guards really ought to turn him out in the yard with all of the other inmates and go inside, shut the door, and let them do what they will to that guy.

Jill

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From: MaryW

Date: 03-01-2002, 01:09 PM (39 of 175)

I agree totally. I know this is not a christian attitude as Sheri said, but that is just what he deserves. I bet it happens from time to time with others like him.

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From: Sheri

Date: 03-01-2002, 04:13 PM (40 of 175)

Originally posted by MaryW:
I agree totally. I know this is not a christian attitude as Sheri said, but that is just what he deserves. I bet it happens from time to time with others like him.

It worked that way with Jeffrey Dahmer. (sp?)

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From: plrlegal

Date: 03-01-2002, 11:31 PM (41 of 175)

It's called protecting their civil rights! My response to that is -- That is a bunch of crap. Criminals give up their civil rights when they commit crimes against other human beings. Even though I work in the legal system every day, I get sick to death of hearing about the rights of criminals. They have more rights inside (being supported by law abiding taxpayers) than the taxpayers that support them have. At least in the United States. My blood boils every time we have to respond to those stupid complaints filed by criminals in our civil courts complaining that their civil rights have been violated, yada, yada, yada! And, while I'm on the subject, I am also sick of hearing the "bleeding hearts" taking up for that bunch of scum we're holding as prisoners in Cuba. I say send all of those bleeding hearts to Cuba and put them in the cages with those savages and let them see how nice they'll be treated by the savages they're yelling are being treated badly. They're being fed and kept cleaner than they've ever been in their lives at our expense.

Patsy

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From: MaryW

Date: 03-02-2002, 05:44 AM (42 of 175)

Ok Patsy, settle down. LOL

I know what you mean, it is hard to not feel so disgusted with our system some times. We had a food strike at our local jail. The prisoners would not eat because their smoking privileges had been taken away. Can you believe that one.

People were actually worried about their health!

To be fair about this, I also think the media plays it up sometimes. Keeps on about a subject until people get mad or say something stupid. The media can do much good and they can also ruin lives.

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From: M B Cobb

Date: 03-02-2002, 07:43 AM (43 of 175)

As a retired counselor who worked for 26 yrs with families and children in crisis...it happens every day in every community.

1. Didn't watch the Olympics because I wanted to sew so can't comment...
2. Crematorium in GA - community officials should be held accountable too. The problem goes back beyond 10 years. Someone had to close a blind eye to the situation. A local family received cement dust instead of Dad's ashes. Every city has some type of problem like this. We have one here in Memphis, TN - just didn't make the national news.
3. Andrea Yates is schizophrenic which is a lot more serious than depression or post-partum blues. Her husband should be on trial for murder or at least manslaughter because it takes 2 people to create children. He knew that she was ill before the first child was born. She had threatened the children before and had admitted to doctors after the 2nd child was born that she had tried to harm the child. The prosecution portrayed the husband as a controlling individual. Andrea Yates was a registered nurse and she gave up the job when she married to be a homemaker. I notice that it is his family with her. Where is her family? Why have they not come forward? The whole case sickens me. The children were home schooled so no one could see the bruises (???). This is one of the reason's social workers leave the job. The stress can be overwhelming.
4. Danielle VanDam - I believe that the child may have been sleepwalking. I remember the news saying there was no forced entry into the home. Once we found our daughter going out the front door in her sleep. We have dogs who alerted us. I believe the guilty person who did the horrible crime will get his just punishment if not on earth; then elsewhere. There are lots of child predators and evil in the world who prey on people. Just think about all of those children abused by their local parish priests and their superiors were aware of it and did nothing except to put them in another neighborhood.
5. Cloning should be used for stem cell research only. Enough said.
Sorry about the "soapbox". We will have to unite and pray for all.
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From: MaryW

Date: 03-13-2002, 09:56 AM (44 of 175)

Andrea Yates was found guilty of murdering her 5 children. It only took the jury 4 hrs. to decide. She can either spend the rest of her natural life in prison or receive the death penalty.

Which one should she get?

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From: Sheri

Date: 03-13-2002, 10:54 AM (45 of 175)

I think I disagree with the jury. I believe she was and maybe still is insane.

Life in prison. Actually, that is a harder sentence than death.

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From: Sherri

Date: 03-13-2002, 10:56 AM (46 of 175)

I think the jury definitely made a mistake. This woman needs help not prison.

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From: plrlegal

Date: 03-13-2002, 11:10 AM (47 of 175)

Knowing right from wrong has nothing to do with being mentally ill. The majority of mentally ill patients know right from wrong but are still just as mentally ill. This woman has a long history of mental illness (schizophrenia)and both sides of the family knew it. I personally feel that there are several other people who have a responsibility for this tragedy also.

The defense of insanity/mental illness is a very hard defense under the best of cirumstances. Another travesty in the American judicial system has been allowed to happen due to what I feel is ignorance of a subject that most of us are still hesitant to really try and understand.

Patsy

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From: Sheri

Date: 03-13-2002, 12:23 PM (48 of 175)

Patsy
I totally agree with that. I believe you can be insane and still know right from wrong, but be powerless to not do something that's wrong.

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From: malibucat

Date: 03-13-2002, 01:54 PM (49 of 175)

I know it can be said that no sane, rational person goes around killing people...but that poor woman needs help, not a prison sentence!

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From: chris b

Date: 03-13-2002, 02:32 PM (50 of 175)

Wow,that poor woman?She killed 5 kids?She deserves treatment then to walk free?I don't think so!IMHO the world would be a better place without her here,sorry.If she is treated,let out then has more kids,stops taking her meds...then what happens?Same thing again?I really think our country needs to look at certain mental ilnesses differently and take precautions about them.Some people are very dangerous if they stop taking their meds.We have a friend from choildhood who is schizphernic(sp?) and he had proven himself to be a danger if he stops taking his meds.What do they do,let him out on his own,then rehospitalize him when he has an episode,how this makes sense I don't know?Someday,after he hurts someone,the state might finally put him somewhere where he isn't a threat to society,but why they wait until after is beyond me?

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From: plrlegal

Date: 03-13-2002, 02:57 PM (51 of 175)

That is exactly it Chris. The laws regarding mentally ill people allow to happen exactly what happened in this situation. Until the unthinkable happened, no one was willing to step in and do anything and then it was too *+@#% late for five small defenseless children so I don't want to see or hear or husband sniveling, crying, holding prayer vigils, etc. on national tv to appease he own guilt and culpability in this situation.

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From: MaryW

Date: 03-13-2002, 02:58 PM (52 of 175)

It's a tough call either way. Definitely a no-win situation. I agree with a bit of what everyone says. She did kill 5 children. She should have help, but letting her out in society again, I don't think so.

Her husband and her MIL knew she was sick, yet they did absolutely nothing. They should also be punished.

We had an incident here in our city a few yrs. ago where a little boy was being beaten regularly. He finally died from one particularly bad beating. His mother and her boyfriend both went to prison for long periods of time. When it was time for the mother to come back, she wanted to stay in prison. She knew what everyone thought of her. Not only that, the neighbours were all aware of that poor little boy and his situation. They should have been charged with being an accessory and so should Andrea's husband and his mother. Sorry to ramble so but they were just as much a part of the problem as Andrea was herself.

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From: plrlegal

Date: 03-13-2002, 04:23 PM (53 of 175)

It is a very tough call Mary and as I said before, insantiy defenses are very difficult at their very best and with the very best legal counsel, skilled in this particular type of defense, which her lawyer(s) did not seem to be. In my opinion, I think her husband is actually relieved to have her and her problems off his hands. We'll see how it all plays out down the road, especially if the jury comes back with a death sentence.

Patsy

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From: chris b

Date: 03-13-2002, 06:59 PM (54 of 175)

I just saw the Netscape poll and the question is whether she should be executed or not.At the moment it is 56% in favor of.They mentioned on Fox news that they believe the Dr will be sued in civil court by the DH.I,too believe he is very responsible especially since he had a history of taking her Dr to Dr like he was trying to find one to tell him what he wanted to hear?Atleast that is how it appears to me.

There are no easy answers,but I do believe if someone has problems as deep as hers are/were that they should be kept in a place where they are supervised to take their medication and are never allowed to be a danger to those in the community.Unmedicated they can't tell the difference most of the time between the voices they hear or reality.

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From: malibucat

Date: 03-13-2002, 07:08 PM (55 of 175)

Unfortunately, the way laws are written now, you can't just force someone in for mental treatment. It seems that they have rights too...such as the right of refusal.

I never said she should not be put away...after all, five children are dead. But maybe she should be in a place where she can get help.

She was suffering not only from schizophrenia, but she developed a psychosis from untreated postpartum depression. We're not talking a mild case of "baby blues" here. This is a very real problem...thank goodness, it doesn't affect the majority of women.

And yes, I think her husband is just about as responsible for this as she is. Carting her from doctor to doctor and continuing to have children was utterly irresponsible...takes two to tango there.

I just get sick of hearing criminals frivolously claiming an insanity defense...almost like they are saying the devil made me do it. Like I said, normal people don't go around killing anyone...

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From: MaryW

Date: 03-13-2002, 07:27 PM (56 of 175)

If she is sentenced to death that will cause a total uproar. She will end up on death row for years to come.

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From: chris b

Date: 03-13-2002, 11:54 PM (57 of 175)

I don't know about an uproar?The poll I'm speaking of is higher now than earlier and so far almost 100,000 have voted?I was watching legal experts debate earlier in Fox and even the pro-treatment guy said more than likely she will be sentenced to death?I'll be surprised if it is anything less.People in Texas have been sentenced to death for far less horendous crimes than this one was.Ohio just put to death a schizophrenic man who murdered part of his family?There was no uproar about executing him?

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From: Karebear

Date: 03-14-2002, 06:56 AM (58 of 175)

Mary wrote: She can either spend the rest of her natural life in prison or receive the death penalty. Which one should she get?

I have been thinking about this from the day I heard this horrific story from Texas. It really upsets me to think that the "legal" system will NOT do the right thing. Sorry, but this lady does not need a 6x6 cell with one window to the world and neighbors that will molest her body shell while in there for 40 years. She will only be a play toy for the brassier inmates. Death… I really do not know how I feel about that, but I am certain that her soul is dead right now.

Patsy, I agree with you in the respect that ignorance of this invisible illness (mental disorder) among our peers is alarming. We are afraid to cross over that threshold to figure out just why one does "strange" and "horrible" things. I am not a doctor, but I am a woman that has known two individuals that went thru nervous breakdowns. It is a horrible place to be in. What really upsets me is the lack of support that these "disorderly" people do not get.

I have said from day one, that this husband of hers is as dysfunctional as she is. In my opinion he does not portray the "Father knows Best" type of guy. There are 5 kids dead and we only heard how the mother physically killed them. We know that she KILLED them, but she had been calling out for help for years. We read this and squirm, but "red flags" were constantly being tossed in the playing pool here. Their father, grand parents, friends, neighbors should have intervened and helped a friend out with 5 kids.

I am certain that most of you would have done something to protect those children. I just needed to say something about this poor woman. She is really very much alone and has always been companionless even when she had a man that helped her produce 5 living individuals that were ignored by the system.
Karen

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From: chris b

Date: 03-14-2002, 12:25 PM (59 of 175)

Yes,but the problem is she did get treatment again and again and again?Sometimes treatment doesn't work.Most people who do recieve treatment who have this type of disorder,don't like taking their meds and as soon as it is possible,stop taking them to feel what they think is "normal" again.I do understand this disorder more than you think.As I see it,unless they can be supervied most of their life,there is little that can be done for them.I believe the greater good is to protect society,period!If this means longterm forced hospitilization,so be it.Or if it is like it is now and we allow them to be punished after the fact....so be it.Schizopherinia is not a curable disorder.

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From: Sheri

Date: 03-15-2002, 11:10 AM (60 of 175)

Yesterday, relatives of Yates pleaded with the jury for a life in prison sentence rather than the death sentence, stating that she was a good person and a "good mother." Yeah, right. I still agree life in prison is what she should get, but not because of her "goodness." I still think she's sick.

The Westerfield pre-trial is over now. The courts have determined David Westerfield should stand trial for kidnapping and murder of Danielle Van Damme. It came out yesterday that the Van Dammes were "party people" who had "adult" parties, smoke pot, drink, Mrs. has "girls night out" regularly, etc. Makes you wonder how parents expect to keep their kids "safe" in that environment. Well, the Van Dammes aren't the ones on trial, but I'm sure their lifestyle is going to create a lot of guilt for them to bear the rest of their lives. I've heard Westerfield has a real hotshot for a lawyer, a real go-getter with an IQ at least 30 points higher than everyone in the courtroom, including any judge around. I have a sick feeling that this whole thing may be reminescent of the OJ trial. I hope the outcome is not the same. Westerfield has signed his house, motorhome, etc. over to the lawyer. Eventually his money will run out, and the law here is that since he has so much $$ already riding on the one lawyer, the state will pick up the rest of the lawyer's costs so he won't have to change lawyers. That makes me SOOOOOOOOO angry.

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From: M B Cobb

Date: 03-15-2002, 04:03 PM (61 of 175)

Just don't think that Andrea Yates truly understands what has happened to her. Schizophrenia is such a horrible disease of the mind. Once hubby knew of her illness, he should have protected his children by allowing relatives to care for them. Plus, Hubby needs to be held accountable for endangering his children by producing more children when Andrea was unable to care for the ones they already had. Life in prison is the sentence of which she will have to serve a minimum of 40 yrs before being paroled. She will be at least 77yrs old before she can get out. Maybe this case will help more understand how "sick" folks with schizophrenia really are. Even with the meds of today, they can snap completely and become an evil monster.
I do hope God will have mercy on her because her children did not deserve to die like that. It's a social worker's worst nightmare.

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From: MaryW

Date: 03-15-2002, 07:29 PM (62 of 175)

I know, deep inside she doesn't maybe realize what she did, and that she will never live to be 77 in a woman's prison. but I think I just hate her for what she did.

I guess that is my feelings boiled down.

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From: chris b

Date: 03-15-2002, 08:18 PM (63 of 175)

When she smiled at her lawyer right after she heard the verdict,I wonder?You are right,if she ever goes into general population in a maximum security women's prison,she will probably be killed.

When asked if he would have more children someday,Russel Yates said,"I don't know,maybe"?

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From: Karebear

Date: 03-16-2002, 08:15 AM (64 of 175)

I really do not have a clue on "how she relates or feels" on what she has done to 5 innocent children. But, in my opinion jail is not the "right" place for her.

I am more saddened and shocked that within our society that has at least a TV and VCR for each residing person, a telephone hook up, and a cell phone for just about every human being walking the planet cannot detect that this woman, Andrea Yates was calling for HELP - 911 before this horrific tragedy.
I do not hate her - I do not know her. I have more a distaste towards the people around her that supposedly loved her and did not pay attention to her needs.

I mean really, would one leave their child with a person that has tried to kill their own self even once, let alone 5 children and twice that evidence showed she tried to terminate her own life. I am sorry, but there is much more to this story then we will ever know.

I do not have answers.. but this woman was just one person that we heard about being forgotten by the system. I am sure that there are many out there trying to find someone to help them..

Karen

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From: M B Cobb

Date: 03-16-2002, 11:01 AM (65 of 175)

You're right Karen. There are so many more people out in society that have so many ills. I think the reason Andrea Yates received so much publicity is that she was a young mother who seemingly "had it all" and had a hidden secret. Only when the horror of what she had done reached the media, was there an outcry. Today, on the news, there was a discussion on whether the husband could be tried and convicted for failing to protect his children. Morally, I believe that he acted very irresponsible and in all of the press given, I have not heard his comments on his feelings about his children's deaths only how wonderful Andrea was as a mother. Unfortunately, these crimes happen every day in cities all across the world. How society reacts to them is something else. Hug your children today...

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From: chris b

Date: 03-16-2002, 11:13 AM (66 of 175)

I've learned a little more about the case....did you know they gave her the option of pleading guilty and she would get a life sentence but her and her Dh felt that she would fare better going before a jury and facing a possible death sentence?That just blows my mind that they would take that chance?

I agree about the people around her.I think her Dh showed that he just wanted her fixed by taking her Dr to Dr,like he wanted them to tell him something else besides what he was hearing from them?IMHO,a very selfish man.They basically said yesterday that him leaving her with the kids in the state she was in would be like leaving a loaded revolver on the table with a bunch of 5 yr olds.Unbelievable.

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From: chris b

Date: 03-22-2002, 11:07 AM (67 of 175)

What does everyone think of the dog mauling trial outcome?

IMHO,it is very just.As a Great Dane owner I know it is my responsiblity to make sure my dog is never out of my control and if God forbid I ever end up with one that is vicious it is my responsiblity to put that one down.To raise dogs to be killers isn't something that needs to be done,if a dog loves you and thinks of you as his "pack" he/she will give his life to protect you without being made vicious. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/smile.gif

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From: Karebear

Date: 03-22-2002, 07:51 PM (68 of 175)

ChrisB:

This Caifornia Dog Mauling Case really has put a bee in my bonnet.

I really did not follow the court case too well.. But, now I am most interested to understand some FACTS here...

I will find out more but I am so very curious on some of these initial thoughts:
~1~ The woman who owned the dogs looks like she comes from a strange breed herself.
~2~ The apartment was a HighRise, correct?
~3~ Where these dogs trolling the hallways?
~4~ Was this lady bitten by one of these dogs prior to her death?
~5~ Explain the situation in the "hallway" of this San Francisco Upper Crust apartment building.
~6~ Why was this Noel guy given sentence as well?

I will have more later.. just wondering what you know and can explain to me...
Thanks
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From: chris b

Date: 03-22-2002, 10:16 PM (69 of 175)

This is what I know,I watched some of the trial.The guy Noel was the woman's husband and co owner of the dogs.No,the woman mauled had never been bitten by the dog prior to the attack in the hallway.The woman( I forget her name http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/redface.gif) had the dog on a lead strap when the mauling occured and was bit during the mauling as well.These dogs were trained to be killers and they did what they were trained to do.There is more weird stuff to the background on how they got the dogs and other inuendos that came up during the trial but that would be a novel writing all of that!In the hallway the victim was walking up the hall towards her apartment and came upon the woman with the dogs,she had been walking them.I believe it was a highrise.

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From: Sheri

Date: 03-25-2002, 06:14 PM (70 of 175)

I heard she had been bitten on the hand previously.

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From: Karebear

Date: 03-25-2002, 07:53 PM (71 of 175)

Read up on the case;

Apparently, the victim, Diane, was bite on the hand but never reported it.. the defense lawyer while questioning Sharon Smith (Diane's partner) said "that if this bite was reported, maybe your girlfriend would not be dead now". A very callus remark, I would say!!

Noel and Knoeller adopted (yes, this is correct) an inmate at the Pelican Prison. I believe Schneider is the guy's name. He had these dogs to breed them for his drug lords as "guards". At first these two little demonstrative pups were with a farmer of sorts (for breeding purpose). She could not control them because they killed her sheep, chickens and cats...

Therefore Noel and his wife got them. Apparently, there was testimony that when Noel walked these dogs how everyone was afraid of him, including the blonde two doors down (Diane).. The entire thing makes me sick...

Noel should get the same as Knoeller (the wife) but won't because he was not in the area at the time of the massacre.

Oh and by the way.. Noel & Knoeller are attorneys as well.. that is how they met up with this idiot within Pelican Prison to adopt him... OMG.. what has this become..

K....

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From: chris b

Date: 03-25-2002, 09:44 PM (72 of 175)

OOOPPPSSSS,sorry about that I didn't catch that she had been bit before. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/redface.gif

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From: Miss Vickie

Date: 03-26-2002, 09:18 AM (73 of 175)

I think the verdit was just. Ths only thing I might have changed was the sentence that the husband got. They both raised those dogs to behave that way. Although, we'd all be better off if they put down the attorneys with the dogs. To intentionally breed dogs to behave that way and have them live in close quarters with the general public is reprehensible! I'm curious to see what all of the PETA people have to say about this. I hope they were all over them.

The most disgusting thing about the entire ordeal is that the woman attorney just stood there while the dogs chewed the victim's throat so she couldn't yell for help. Good god!! I don't care how much I love my dog, if I see it doing that, I'd kick it, punch it, hit it with the biggest thing I could find to save a life. I think one of the threads woven thru this mess is that the victim had a same sex life partner. While I don't agree with that lifestyle, she shouldn't have been murdered over it.

I'll get off my soapbox now....... =)

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From: malibucat

Date: 03-26-2002, 09:26 AM (74 of 175)

The victim's lifestyle had nothing at all to do with anything....but the defendants' attorney sure used it in an attempt to slur the victim's character.

The husband should be held equally responsible for the crime...as an equal owner of the dog.

Maybe the more fitting sentence should be that the dogs are turned onto the owners....

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From: M B Cobb

Date: 03-26-2002, 10:40 AM (75 of 175)

As an owner of 3 large dogs (over 100lbs each) I always warn strangers that they have the potential to bite. When children come over and one of the dogs growl, that dog is immediately removed from the area and disciplined.

One of my dogs was severely abused before we got him from the pound and he used to growl at everyone. With lots of love and encouragement (plus tranquilizers) he is the most gentle one of the three. Dogs can be trained to obey and behave themselves around people. It takes a lot of work and effort on the owner's part to accomplish this. It is an owner's full responsibility for how their dog behaves.

As DD put it when she was much younger and asked if her dogs would bite - "If they got teeth, they can bite".

From the small clips in the local paper, it seems this couple encouraged this behavior and did not take necessary steps to train their dogs to behave. I believe the verdict was just. Vicious dogs need to be removed from the vicinity of the general public by their owners. Failure to do so should result in severe punishment.

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From: MaryW

Date: 03-26-2002, 03:16 PM (76 of 175)

It was certainly a unique trial with some very colorful people involved. The "adopted" son was really something too.

I think the sentence was "just", can't have animals like that in with the public. They are bred to protect and that's what they do. To have them loose is just irresponsible. I think those lawyers thought they had the case won, hands down. A life was taken and the sentence reflected that.

There is nothing as absurd as life itself.

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From: MaryW

Date: 03-28-2002, 11:50 AM (77 of 175)

Milton Berle and Dudley Moore both passed away. Milton Berle was a little before even me, but I always loved Dudley Moore's humor. He made a couple of movies with Liza Minnelli and he was wonderful, I laughed all thru them.

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From: MaryW

Date: 03-31-2002, 05:59 AM (78 of 175)

The Queen Mum died yesterday at the age of 101. It was said she had a very hard time dealing with the death of her daughter, Princess Margaret just a few months ago.

She always looked so regal, in those hats and gloves.

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From: Karebear

Date: 03-31-2002, 11:03 AM (79 of 175)

Dudley was a fasinating person.. I watch his biography and he was a child that had no signs of LOVE shown from his parents at all. How very sad is that? He was a genius not only with music but handling people in his very master filled way.

Strange isn't it that children today, that are ignored, no love shown within the family connection go out, form gangs to KILL and be in power.

Dudley on the other hand went out and made us laugh and love HIM more.

Said day when the good die so young http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/frown.gif
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From: nance

Date: 03-31-2002, 02:28 PM (80 of 175)

I loved Dudley Moore too. 'Arthur' was one of the movies he did with Liza Minnelli, he was so funny, I also loved his narration of "Milo and Otis'. If you haven't watched that one you should. I can't think of another one with Liza Minnelli, do you remember the name of it Mary? Nance

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From: MaryW

Date: 04-01-2002, 05:03 AM (81 of 175)

Arthur II wasn't it?

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From: nance

Date: 04-01-2002, 05:37 AM (82 of 175)

You're up early this morning Mary. I guess I did not realize that there was an Arthur II. I really loved the first one, so I will look for the second one at the video store. What other movies was Dudley Moore in? I did not care for '10'. Seemed like it was made more to showcase Bo Derecks 'talents' more so than Dudley Moores! Nance

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From: Sheri

Date: 04-01-2002, 11:39 AM (83 of 175)

He also was in Foul Play with Chevy Chase and Goldie Hawn. His was a supporting role and was absolutely hysterical!

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From: nance

Date: 04-01-2002, 01:21 PM (84 of 175)

Sheri I know I saw Foul Play, but can't remember a thing about it! Guess I will have to put that one on my 'rent' list. Hmmmmm. I will start a new thread for movies. Nance

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From: MaryW

Date: 04-03-2002, 11:18 AM (85 of 175)

The Queen Mum was worth $135,000,000.00
and she was subsidized by the Queen and Prince Charles most years. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/eek.gif

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From: nance

Date: 04-08-2002, 09:51 AM (86 of 175)

Wow! Did anyone else see that film footage of that tornado in Texas yesterday? That was huge. They are predicting those storms to hit my area today or tonight. We are expecting strong winds, possible tornados and hail. I was out early this morning battening down the hatches. Lucky me, I get to go have a root canal this morning. My luck, my house will be flying around like Dorothy's, and I will only be able to moan softly in pain!! LOL. Nance

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From: malibucat

Date: 04-08-2002, 11:51 AM (87 of 175)

Well now, if you get a good painkiller, it'll only be a soft whimper... http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/biggrin.gif Seriously, hope it isn't that bad for you there.....

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From: MaryW

Date: 04-22-2002, 11:19 AM (88 of 175)

Robert Blake was charged with the murder of his wife. You know, I kinda thought he did it, but I didn't want to really admit it to myself. I loved him in all those Baretta shows.

They also found the body of a young man murdered about 4-5 miles from our house on Friday afternoon. Gives me the willies. They shot him and dragged him off in the bushes. A bunch of kids found him on their bikes.

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From: nance

Date: 04-22-2002, 01:21 PM (89 of 175)

I thought it sounded like Robert Blake had the motive to kill his wife, but wasn't sure if he really did it. How about that dog they found on an abandoned oil tanker after three weeks at sea? The Humane Society spent $50,000 to rescue the dog. I am glad they got the dog, but $50,000 would have helped alot of other animals at the shelters. Do you think they should have spent it all on one dog? Nance

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From: Karebear

Date: 04-22-2002, 07:24 PM (90 of 175)

Nance "Do you think they should have spent it all on one dog?

Hard question to answer... because I LOVE animals and would do my darnest to save them all... I am very glad that there was a story on the NEWS that was heart filling JOY...

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From: Dede

Date: 04-23-2002, 01:57 PM (91 of 175)

Another murder suicide in our area. I was in Toronto this weekend having a great time at and Needlework show in Mississauga. Coming back yesterday, the news kept reporting this story and it was in my neighbourhood so it made me wonder. I get to the office this a.m. to find out the lady that lost her life is a co-worker. Everybody is down and on edge. It is not a happy day and people are blaming the husband etc etc. I can't bring myself to blame him; he lost it and he only knows what went through his mind. He must have been terribly sick and sad. My prayers are with the families.

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From: Jeanne

Date: 04-23-2002, 03:25 PM (92 of 175)

My heart goes out to the familes of the four Canadian soldiers who lost their lives in Afganistan. Two of them were from Nova Scotia. They were so young! I can't even imagine how difficult this is for the families.

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From: MaryW

Date: 04-29-2002, 10:55 AM (93 of 175)

There is an elementary school just down the road from us. It is only 2-3 yrs. old. They sent 21 kids home the other day. They all had a red rash covering their hands and arms. This has happened to many of the schools in our area. At first they thought it was mold or fungus in the old schools, but this can't be the case here.

A health official says the rash really resembles a rash from the sun. She went on to say there may be a problem with the ozone layer in this area. If so, we have a severe public health problem on our hands.

Thankfully it has been overcast, cloudy and rainy most days in the past few weeks.

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From: nance

Date: 04-29-2002, 05:14 PM (94 of 175)

Mary, that is so strange that you mentioned the sun rash. Two weeks ago, my son and about a dozen of the kids he knows, all got such a bad sunburn, that they peeled. My DS is very dark skinned, and plays outside all day all summer. He has never peeled before. I told my DH that I thought it was a hole in the ozone, but I thought I was joking! Nance

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From: MaryW

Date: 04-30-2002, 11:30 AM (95 of 175)

The parents are having absolute fits. Lots of meetings, etc. This is happening all over the province.

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From: MaryW

Date: 05-06-2002, 10:36 AM (96 of 175)

Clinton, the former US president is thinking of having his own talk show. I think this is hilarious. He only wants $50 million bucks for this.

What is he thinking?

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From: MaryW

Date: 05-06-2002, 10:44 AM (97 of 175)

I was just thinking, maybe he is filling in for Sally Jessy Raphael, she is retiring. LOL

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From: MaryW

Date: 05-31-2002, 11:20 AM (98 of 175)

Where is everyone, has nothing happened at all? I kinda doubt it!

Ground zero work is finally completed.

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From: jcook

Date: 06-02-2002, 01:12 PM (99 of 175)

I'm glad the work at ground zero is completed. I am hoping that with this finalized, the rebuilding will renew spirits.

My spirits at least, I can't answer for the rest of the country, are still down about the state of the world. The threat of nuclear war between Pakistan and India, the eternal unrest in the middle east, G.W. Bush acting as if he wants to declare war on everyone that disagrees with the U. S., I just have no faith at all in his leadership abilities and he has too much power for someone who wasn't truly elected to office.

I have lost my sense of optimism that the world will eventually be a place where, if we don't all live in peace and harmony, we at least let each other live their lives and realize that it's okay to be and think differently, provided we do not keep anyone else from enjoying those same freedoms. Maybe I just finally grew out of my "flower child" mentality. I guess human nature has always been the same but since this is the generation I am alive in and aware of, this is the one that is the most awful.

I know that we've been through the nuclear threats before but somehow, I feel as if the cold war wasn't a real possibility. (I know, if I had been as aware then as I am now, I may have been just as concerned then.) The Russians were a superpower at that time as well as we were and had a lot to lose too, so they would not have been in any more of a rush to start a problem than we were so I never believed anything would ever really happen then.

I don't know about the stability of the Pakistani leaders though. Is that region more stable than the mid-east? I have to plead ignorance there because I don't know anything about Pakistan.

Well, Mary, how is that for thoughts about world events?

I'll step down now,
Jill

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From: MaryW

Date: 06-02-2002, 05:35 PM (100 of 175)

Jill, I'm sure there are a lot who share your doubts and fears. It's not been an easy time in the world, everyone has an uneasy attitude I think.

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From: plrlegal

Date: 06-02-2002, 11:20 PM (101 of 175)

Jill please keep in mind that the President of the US cannot alone or arbitrarily decide to start a war with anyone. It takes the consent of the US House and Senate before a war is declared. George Bush is in a "dammed if you do and dammed if you don't situation" since September 11th. He could hardily stand by and allow terrorists to run free in the US bombing and attacking anywhere they would decide to do so, do you think? I was 3 blocks from the bomb that went off here in Oklahoma City and killed 178 and injured and maimed hundreds of others, including children. I still feel some of the terror of evacuating downtown Oklahoma City and seeing the middle of a city that looked like the pits of hell had exploded and I think I will always carry that feeling and those images with me.

Patsy

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From: Cindy9013

Date: 06-03-2002, 08:31 AM (102 of 175)

Well, I think President Bush is doing a fine job! And I also think he won the election fair and square. I shutter to think what state the country would be in if Al Gore had been elected. Gore has no back bone. As far President Bush wanting to declare war on everyone, I think he is trying to make a Texas message an American statement. "Don't mess with us." The US has helped alot of countries with money, food, our soldiers, etc. and this is the thanks we get.

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From: MaryW

Date: 06-03-2002, 08:34 AM (103 of 175)

Politics is a very touchy subject and everyone has their own opinion. I think we are ALL lucky to live where we do, things could be a lot worse. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/smile.gif

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From: Cindy9013

Date: 06-03-2002, 12:30 PM (104 of 175)

Originally posted by MaryW:
things could be a lot worse. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/smile.gif

Mary,
You are absolutely right! And I fear things will get worse before terrorism is eliminated. Every low flying helicopter or airplane sends me into the yard holding my breath and saying a prayer.

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From: jcook

Date: 06-03-2002, 01:03 PM (105 of 175)

I do agree that President Bush had to respond to the 9/11 attacks. It is a horror that will live on in all of us and something had to be done, unfortunately that does mean going to war. Terrorism has been allowed to run rampant for too many years, decades even, and it does have to be stopped.

I just don't think that he needed to go around the world picking fights with other countries until we know where we stand with this war. My fear there is that we could end up in other wars as a result and wind up spreading ourselves too thin. I felt that he could have got his message across that this will not be tolerated any longer without being critical of so many other countries at once.

My apologies to anyone who felt a personal insult resulting from anything I said earlier.

Jill

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From: MaryW

Date: 06-03-2002, 01:26 PM (106 of 175)

No worry Jill, no one was insulted. It is just such a mess these days, everyone is on edge. I can't see us ever having world peace, at least in my lifetime.

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From: plrlegal

Date: 06-03-2002, 02:23 PM (107 of 175)

Mary's right Jill. No one took your opinion as an insult. But this is what being free is all about, the right of us all to express our opinions. That's what George Bush had to stand up to the entire world and say "We're free and we're going to continue to be free whatever it takes, so you're either gonna be with us in freedom or against us and trying to take it away and we're not gonna stand by and let you do it, so give us your best shot and be prepared for us to give it right back even harder."

Patsy

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From: Miss Vickie

Date: 06-03-2002, 04:33 PM (108 of 175)

I guess I need to add my 2 cents too. I'm proud of President Bush.(no matter how many dimpled chads you want to count) I may not agree with everyone but I enjoy the freedom to have differing opinions and that's the way it should be.

The thing that I don't understand is this......how can you honestly say that we're picking fights? How many ships and buildings to those s.o.b.'s have to blow up before we retaliate? Our embassies in Africa, The USS Cole The World Trade Center in 1996(the guy that did that is still here!), The Pentagon, and the World Trade Centers, not to mentions the thousands of innocent civilians. geesh. If Clinton hadn't been playing with Monica in the Oval office he might have gone after Bin Laden a few years ago. The U.S is damned if they do and damned if they don't. Sorry, but I'm sick of all the tree hugging hippie stuff. Let's roll!

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From: Cindy9013

Date: 06-03-2002, 06:58 PM (109 of 175)

Jill,
I wasn't insulted by what you said. I was just voicing my opinion. I'll be honest, I'm scared to death since all this happened. I'm scared to stay home and I'm scared to go anywhere. Bin Laden's group took part of all of our freedom on 9/11. How dare he! I say let's have a weenie roast. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/wink.gif

However, I had these same fears when the Arthur Murray building was blown up in Ok. City. When the news went across the TV that horrible day I was standing in an ATF office in a federal building in Dallas, TX. Bet you can guess how fast they got us out of there.

Miss Vickie, I agree with you on your opinion about Clinton playing with Monica. Not only was he not doing his job but he was doing the hanky panky in mine & your's house. hmmm, I don't think hanky panky is appropriate for the oval office.

If my opinions and/or bluntness offended anyone please accept my sincere apologizes. Although I have never met any of you I care about each one of you & wonder if all is well if one of you miss posting for any length of time.

Huggerz to all!!

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From: shirleyp

Date: 06-04-2002, 01:30 AM (110 of 175)

I am a Canadian and not an American, even though I witnessed the horrors or Sept.11 on television, I could not possibly understand the unease that went through the people of that nation. I am also a christian, and I can not understand the horrors of the people that are slaughtered for their faith.

Since the rights of every free nation is the freedom of speech, please except my opinion for what is, my opnion.

When i was in school I always wondered what the importance of history was. Now as an adult I understand it fully. We can learn from the mistakes of other leaders, and that war never has benefited anyone.

Being a Christian I also understand the need for Christ. If a person truly believes, none of these things would happen, but I also know that there is a plan for this world. All I can do is lean on my faith, and pray that God will give me strength to face each day as it comes.

The only reason for any war is greed for wealth or power. Many nations have done this. Many leaders of nations have been self seeking and arrogant. We have always looked at Russia, and Cuba as not so pleasing countries, but there are people in those nations that have the same fears as we do. We also have our faults and are not better than them. I believe that I as an individual must look at the log in my own eye and not the splint in my neighbours.
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From: M B Cobb

Date: 06-04-2002, 09:15 AM (111 of 175)

Violence is becoming a way of life in our community. Having the the Tyson-Lewis world championship boxing match this weekend is not helping. In the past 10 days, 2 young boys died because of a DUI driver lost consciousness behind the wheel of a car; the 3rd child is undergoing major rehab; 2 children were gunned down in separate drive-by shootings as they were innocently playing; the 3rd child is in critical condition after getting hit by a stray bullet in a drive-by shooting. She was sitting in her mother's vehicle. Our medical examiner was attacked (on more than one occasion) by someone who wrapped him in barbed wire and strapped a bomb to him. Someone did not like a ruling he made. One of my fellow state employees died in a mysterious fire in which there was little or nothing left of her. She allegedly helped some unauthorized men (suspected terrorists) get drivers' licenses and there were supposed ties to the WTC. They pleaded guilty to avoid a trial.
She paid with her life leaving children and grandchildren wondering what had happened. Am I worried about the safety of my family - you got it.
However, I cannot hide from life nor shield anyone. All of these tragedies just underscore the value of life like the family that relentlessly searched for an older sibling in a Romanian orphanage and adopted all three so the children could remain together. Another family adopted 3 siblings from Russia and a child from China because their own 4 children had grown up and moved out on their own. They didn't like not having children in the home.
There are joys in new babies being born who are not addicted to crack cocaine and couples who celebrate 50 and 60 years of marriage. What do you choose to focus on in your life? Everyday, everywhere in this world there are tragedies and joys side by side. I choose joy above all things and pray for the others. Let peace reign above all things and tolerance for one another replace suspicions and hatred. Each person has the power to make a difference in the life of someone else. As the hymn goes "Let it begin with me..."
Marty

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From: jcook

Date: 06-04-2002, 01:09 PM (112 of 175)

Marty and Shirley,

Both of you write so beautifully and clearly, I envy that quality so much. If I had a bit of it myself, I wouldn't need to keep trying to explain what I mean when I say (write) something.

Miss Vickie,

What I meant by picking fights is that I wish our president had Bin Laden under control before he started off on his "triad of evil", sorry I don't recall his exact words. I don't believe we need more trouble with Iraq, etc. until we've got the Al-Qaeda situation under control.

This "triad of evil" has been operating the same way for decades. If you want to place blame for not having it under control, one would need to go back to the first Bush-Reagan era, this particular one cannot be blamed on Clinton.

It took this horror, on our turf for us to jump in and get involved.

Why has terrorism been allowed to go on for 20 years or so that I know of before we did something about it? Why were so many of these people trained here?

I do love this country and I do love our freedoms and yes, they are very much worth fighting for. I love the fact that I can voice my opinion, (even if I never am able to get out what I am truly trying to say!) and not be executed for it, except perhaps in thought! And I for one, will join Shirley and Marty and all of the others who are able to remain focused on what is so good and so right with our world. Maybe, I'll skip the news and the paper for a while too!

Again, sorry if I offended anyone.

Hugs to all,
Jill

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From: jcook

Date: 06-04-2002, 01:22 PM (113 of 175)

Geez Mary,

Just a few short days ago, you were wondering where everyone was. A few mis-spoken phrases on my part and look at this board now! Let me know the next time it gets too empty for you, I'm sure I can put my foot in my mouth again and stir it up for you!

Jill

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From: M B Cobb

Date: 06-04-2002, 09:29 PM (114 of 175)

Jill,
You're wonderful. Don't ever discount yourself or your passion for what is good and right in this world. In the history of mankind (over the last 5 centuries) there have only been 268 years of peace. We cannot solve it nor can we ignore it. We have to live thru it - taking one day at a time and go forward. Now, let's all get stitching because there's a lot of sewing to do. Happy Stitching!
Marty

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From: MaryW

Date: 06-05-2002, 09:38 AM (115 of 175)

Jill, I am glad you are a part of our site. Don't ever stop posting. My husband says I only take my foot out of my mouth once in a while and that is to change feet. LOL

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From: Miss Vickie

Date: 06-05-2002, 11:13 AM (116 of 175)

Hey Jill,

I was not offended at your opinion. I just think you have some misinformation. In fact, the former President Clinton had bin Laden in the crosshairs of a military rifle and he said "No". So, I do hold him accoutnatble for not taking him out. I also hold the 1st President Bush accountable for not taking out Sadam Hussain. The 2nd President Bush would not be able to get bin Laden secured without going after the "Axis of Evil". They are all in on it together in one way or another. Mr. bin Laden and his top lieutenants are holding him very closely, if he is still alive. I tend to think that he is dead. That one has a particularly big ego and I don't think he would have resisted the urge to rub it in this long.

There is always a lot of finger pointing to be done because hind sight is 20/20. The bottom line is that the attacks on our country were not the first and they will not be the last. There was another bombing in Israel today. I'm sure if these militants had their way, bombings like that would be an everyday occurance in the U.S. too.

Despite what one might think from my remarks, I am a Christian and I do love my fellow man. I also love dogs, but if I know of one that is foaming at the mouth and rabid, I will kill it because it's the right thing to do. The same goes for bin Laden & Hussein and anyone else who's mind is so poisoned. Until the final judgement comes, there will always be evil in this world. I have faith in God that he will deliver me from it. God bless us all.

No hard feelings here.

Vickie

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From: plrlegal

Date: 06-05-2002, 01:14 PM (117 of 175)

I'm with you Miss Vickie. I've already read the end of the story so I know what my eternal destination will be. In the meantime, I refuse to let Bin Laden or anyone else force me to live a life of fear. The only way evil wins is when it finally convinces us all to live in fear.

Patsy

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From: shirleyp

Date: 06-06-2002, 12:50 AM (118 of 175)

From reading the posts it seems you all like a good fight. Well join me in this one.

On March 26, the B.C. Supreme Court rules that written material describing "adomasochisitic scenes of violence and sex directed at boys generally 12 yrs. of age and younger" HAS ARTISTIC MERIT and IS LEGAL.

If I'm reading this right, the film industry can now make scripts and films of child pornography, and anyother sick person out there. That means child porn is legal in any form, or it will be.

Mary, I have e-mail addresses to write to if you want to protest. A petition is already circuiting here in our province. We need to stop this sort of thing happening. If I can give these addresses out in this site, let me know.
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From: Miss Vickie

Date: 06-06-2002, 10:19 AM (119 of 175)

Count me in on that one.

Illicit sex acts with a minor is immoral and SHOULD BE illegal. I have a son and God forbid anyone hurt that child. They will have to deal with the biggest (*^%(&^$(&$ that ever walked the Earth. I'm a U.S. citizen and probably would not be able to participate in any petition. If I can, by all means let me know.

Vickie

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From: shirleyp

Date: 06-07-2002, 12:10 PM (120 of 175)

Thank you so much for your concern, but I am surprised that you are the only one.

Wouldn't it be a real eye opener for our government if people from U.S.A. send e-mails. They would then have to pay attention. I know this ruling is for our province, but it can spread to others. That is my concern. Also what is the further implications to all of this. Are more children going to end up being missing. Are more children going to be sexually abused because it can now be referred to as being artistic. I get sick just thinking about it. We have groups such as save the children fund, and world vision for children, but we allow this to happen in our county. What hypacrites we are.

Mary, I have not heard if it is possible to put the e-mail addresses on, so I guess it is okay.

If anyone is willing to take action, you need to add your name and address and put a carbon copy with it. You can e-mail to these two people.
The Right Hon. Jean Chretien
Prime Minister of Canada
<email address removed for privacy>

The Hon. Martin Cauchon
Minister of Justice
<email address removed for privacy>

Also write to your local MLA.
I hope you feel that this is very important. If any of you know of other improper laws, let me know. I will get involved, for the betterment of all.
Shirley

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From: Miss Vickie

Date: 06-07-2002, 01:02 PM (121 of 175)

Hey Shirley,

Thanks for the info. I'll be e-mailing them today and I'll pass this on to the folks in my address book. I doubt that I'm the only one. I think I probably scared some people off with my big mouth. I tend to be pretty passionate about things and sometimes that's a consequence. Sorry Mary.

P.S. Could you let me know where you heard about this? I'd like to attach a news clip from the web somewhere. I searched the B.C. Supreme Court on-line and couldn't find anything. I think these things alway carry more weight with people if they know you did a little research.
Thx

Vickie

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From: shirleyp

Date: 06-07-2002, 05:56 PM (122 of 175)

Vickie,
I don't think anyone can be vocal enough when people do things that are wrong and hurtful. I look at life a lot this way.
I also want to scream when I see any kind of ruling that is harmful to the wellbeing of all people.
I received this info from Focus on the Family. We have two pamplets on this ruling. You can also reach them about this issue by checking their web site. It is www.familyfacts.ca (http://www.familyfacts.ca) or you can phone them by calling 1-800-661-9800.

I also want to reply on my other post which I mentioned about the leader of nations, I put Ben Laden in this same catagory. He needs to be stopped. But I was refering more to the people of India, and Pakistan. The ruling bodies want to start a war, but innocent people will again suffer. Just because some people are evil, doesn't mean all are.
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From: MaryW

Date: 06-10-2002, 10:44 AM (123 of 175)

Boy, am I behind.

Rosie O'Donnell has gone off the air, Mike Tyson got a whuppin' and a young girl has disappeared without a trace in Utah.

Shirley, you can post the email addresses here. By all means, sorry I am so slow here. Things get in the way sometimes.

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From: chris b

Date: 06-10-2002, 11:18 AM (124 of 175)

Oh,boy!!Someone has been reading too many Liberal news services!Bin Lauden was offered to Clinton twice.Once in real time(under survalence) but he was afraid it wouldn't be politically beneficial to him and America couldn't handle loosing any soldiers,this was from one of his cabinet advisors after 9/11.This was after the bombing of the WTC!As time goes by and people hear more and more of what Clinton sold us out to the world for his own benefit,I hope people will wake-up to what he really was.He lost me in the first campaign when he swore no NAFTA then it was the first piece of legislation he signed,the man didn't know how to tell the truth.His second act was cutting the military budget 50% and refusing to EVER met the head of the CIA during both terms while slashing their budget too.And we wonder how it happened?

How you are blaming the first Bush I have no idea?We were helping them out(Afgahanistan) during the "cold war" against an invasion by the USSR.This war is what actually brought down the USSR as it basically bankrupted them.No one knew they were who they turned out to be.That statment came from the head of the CIA durng that time.

Did anyone read about West Chester Co in NY giving out iodine tablets incase of a nuclear disaster at Indian Point?How scarey is that.I do think they will try to attack us on the fourth of July.What better day to try to bring us to our knees?I hope so much that I am wrong.

What a scarey world we live in when you put your kids to bed and they dissappear.The search for the missing girl isn't going very well.Statics say if a child isn't found in the first 24 hrs...... http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/frown.gif

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From: MaryW

Date: 06-16-2002, 06:57 AM (125 of 175)

It is now rule, any clergy known to have abused minors will not be recognized as a priest. They can still work in the church, but not as recognized priests.

Very little, rather late. I hope they carry thru with this at a decent speed.

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From: malibucat

Date: 06-16-2002, 07:19 PM (126 of 175)

Many years too late...with too many victims. Many here are saying that the new rules are not strict enough...I think I have to agree. They are just as much criminals as any others out on the street who molest children.

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From: MaryW

Date: 06-16-2002, 07:57 PM (127 of 175)

I think they have to re-think their policies. Their rules are in the dark ages. Because of this, countless kids have suffered at their hands.

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From: plrlegal

Date: 06-16-2002, 11:16 PM (128 of 175)

And guess what? Just because they are no longer allowed to participate as a priest does not mean they will stop molesting children. They will always find a way to molest children no matter what role or function they have in the church as long as children are available to them and they get away with it.

I agree with you Kim that just because they have been ordained by the Catholic Church as priests makes them no less criminals for molesting children. Somehow the heiarchy of the Catholic Church has it screwed up in their minds that because these men were or are priests that their molesting children is not a criminal act. They should be prosecuted and sentenced just like any other sick child molester is. This entire thing has sickened me to no end. Abusing and molesting children is not only one of the most heinous, criminal acts being perpetrated, but it is an evil that I cannot comprehend no matter how I try, especially grown men molesting children whether they are male or female.

Patsy

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From: Dede

Date: 06-17-2002, 08:41 AM (129 of 175)

Never mind what the church can, cannot or will not do. Isn't pedophilia against the law? Why aren't these priests being prosecuted? The Kennedy cousin was prosecuted 25 years after the fact? Why can't these priests take the same route? There are so many questions regarding this and so little answers. It will not relieve or make life any easier for the victims but you can't just put a band-aid on something like this.

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From: plrlegal

Date: 06-17-2002, 10:36 AM (130 of 175)

Dede the reason some of these people are not being prosecuted as criminals now is that the statute of limitations (the time frame in which criminal charges can be brought) are different in different states. And, for the most part, the children that were molested by the majority of these priests are just now coming forward with this information. Had the children told the parents at the time that it happened and if the parents had gone to the authorities then, they probably would have been prosecuted as criminals and put away where they could not have continued to molest other children. I personally think that one of the biggest crimes being committed is that the pope and his little circle of chums wants to sweep the whole thing under the carpet again, just like they've done for years and years. Guess what mister pope or however he is addressed, the big secret is out and will likely stay out and become even dirtier and messier.

Patsy

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From: plrlegal

Date: 06-17-2002, 10:39 AM (131 of 175)

While we're on the subject of strange happenings -- is it just me or is there something radically wrong with the picture of the kidnapping of the 14 year old in Salt Lake City? Why would her father deliberately leave the garage door up and why were the security alarms be left off in that house? Am I just looking for family skeletons or is there something missing in this particular picture?

Patsy

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From: MaryW

Date: 06-17-2002, 10:44 AM (132 of 175)

You could be right Patsy. But, I know our security system is off for a while right now. Our grandson has to learn how to work it and until he does, it's off.

My husband often goes out and forgets to close the garage door, but not at night. I dunno. I never heard those details yet, but there could be something weird there.

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From: Dede

Date: 06-17-2002, 04:28 PM (133 of 175)

Patsy, I can understand what you're saying but, and why is there always a but ... in those days, everything was sooooo tabbooooooo you wouldn't dream of telling anybody and even if you did tell your parents, there wasn't much that would have been done otherwise I don't think we'd be in this mess today. The church was so powerful and controlig. Everything that is happening in the States now has been out in the open here in Quebec and it is slowly fading away http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/mad.gif
I was in a foster home with my brothers for 8 years at the same place, I was abused, I told the lady ... we were moved out ... period. Nothing was done. He died a few years ago and his wife took this "secret" to her grave with her. I don't think his children ever found out and I won't be the one to tell them. I love them too much to cause them that much pain.

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From: plrlegal

Date: 06-17-2002, 04:44 PM (134 of 175)

I think you've answered your own question Dede. Unless adults are willing to report these things to the proper law enforcement authorities or unless children (which most do not) have access to some kind of a hotline for children this has happened to, nothing will be and hasn't been done about it and in most of the cases we're hearing about now here in the US, the statute of limitations for criminal prosecution has expired. You brought up the Skakel (sp?) case. Capital murder cases do not have a statute of limitations which expires. This issue can be debated until the cows come home or Jesus returns, whichever comes first (hopefully Jesus will return) and the legal fact still remains that the biggest majority of the men who molested these children, most of whom are now adults, still remain at large in the general public and the risk is very great that they will continue on their merry way unless and until they are caught in the act again and reported to law enforcement authorities in their area. You can bet your boots that the good old catholic church is not going to go out of their way to find or catch these people in the future any more than they did in the past.

Patsy

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From: Miss Vickie

Date: 06-18-2002, 09:19 AM (135 of 175)

Hi Ladies,

I happen to be Catholic and this is a hard pill for me to swallow too. I don't think I'm alone in the Catholic community feeling that this is a true travesty to see this evil running thru the aisles of the church like it's playground. I fault the Catholic leaders for NOT calling a spade a spade. I have to agree, THESE ARE CRIMES!! I don't care who you are....if you molest a child you should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. I think overall in the church there is this mentality that they are above the law because they were touched by God in some way. I respect their "calling" but these acts have been counter productive. The very people that they should have been bringing closer to God.....they pushed futher away. Sometimes I think that's worse that the physical aspect of the abuse. The oustide of a body heals so much faster than the inside.

The girl in Utah........something fishy.......do you think she could have staged her own kidnapping with a boyfriend? I guess I'm grasping at straws hoping she's still alive. She's such a cutie....I'd be heartbroken if that was my girl.

Take care

Vickie

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From: malibucat

Date: 06-18-2002, 12:17 PM (136 of 175)

I don't know Vickie...if that was the case, she'd have heard all the publicity on it and would have been home by now, I'd think. Letting it go longer just makes it that much harder for her to return. I think someone did kidnap her...what I'm wondering is a house like that...where was the alarm system? I'm not sure what to think about there...
Kim

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From: Miss Vickie

Date: 06-19-2002, 04:24 PM (137 of 175)

Yeah Kim .....I don't know..I'm just hoping she's still alive....

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From: MaryW

Date: 06-23-2002, 02:47 PM (138 of 175)

Ann Landers died yesterday at 83 yrs. of age. I can remember reading her stuff years ago. I guess her sister is still going strong.

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From: malibucat

Date: 06-23-2002, 07:39 PM (139 of 175)

Yes, I still read Abby every day. I just noticed in the last week or two though, she isn't alone in her picture anymore. Her daughter is in it with her...maybe the daughter is going to take hers over one of these days.

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From: malibucat

Date: 06-28-2002, 10:03 AM (140 of 175)

So...how about the judge's ruling that the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance are unconstitutional? Already, he put a stay on his decision...do you think that means that it won't fly?
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From: MaryW

Date: 06-28-2002, 10:09 AM (141 of 175)

Now Ann's daughter is in the middle of a court battle with the rest of the family. Apparently she is trying to cash in on it all.

I think it is utter nonsense about the pledge. If people object to the words "under God" they can just omit saying them. They should still express loyalty to their country. We always did as Canadians in school.

This is a test to see how much support can be stirred up for the controversy.

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From: Miss Vickie

Date: 06-28-2002, 11:32 AM (142 of 175)

I'd heard that Ann specifically requested that the column die with her. I hope the family respects her wishes, what ever they were. Money does strange things to families. I hate to see it happen.

I think that judge started to pull back after he realized that not many agreed with him. There are so many appeals that would have to go thur, there's no way it could fly. Actually, I'm kind of glad that it happened because it's good to see the outpouring of people that know it's a load of bull. If nothing else, 9-11 brought us closer together as a nation. Good to know.

About the Smart case.....it seems like they're not looking any further than this Ricci guy. I've got a bad feeling....where the heck IS she??? I feel so bad for that family.

Have a great weekend Ladies!! Maybe I'll actually get around to logging on at chat time. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/biggrin.gif

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From: MaryW

Date: 06-28-2002, 11:52 AM (143 of 175)

Which guy is this? I never heard of a Ricci guy.

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From: plrlegal

Date: 06-28-2002, 03:02 PM (144 of 175)

The reason the Judge in the 9th Circuit issued a Stay on the Opinion he wrote is so it can't go to the Supreme Court and will have to stay in the 9th Circuit to be heard by an en banc panel (11 or more judges). He read the writing on the wall, that is for certain, when the uproar started and especially when Washington made it very clear that the Congress would call a special session to overturn the ruling and pass a law that the jurisdiction of the courts cannot extend to laws passed by Congress. Also, once it goes to the U.S. Supreme Court 2 things can happen: 1) the lower court ruling will be upheld and subject to enforcement; or 2) it will be overturned and sent back down to the original trial court to be retried.
I think this may be the straw that breaks the proverbial camel's back with laws being made to benefit the minority instead of the majority. If this clown in California chooses not to believe in God, that's his right and he should get his kid excused from having to say the Pledge of Allegiance period. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is actually a verg big joke in judicial circles. They have the most liberal judes and have more decisons reversed than any other Federal Appeals Court in the country and the judge that actually authored and signed the opinion is apparently an egotiscial, know it all, wannabe god mentality. 17 of the 23 judges on that court were appointed by Bill Clinton. Does that tell all of you something about this current ruling?

Patsy

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From: Miss Vickie

Date: 06-28-2002, 03:29 PM (145 of 175)

Gotcha Patsy!!! ;D I'm not a Clinton fan....I could go on about why.......but don't want to start an uproar.

Mary.....go to www.foxnews.com (http://www.foxnews.com) Ricci was picked up for an unrelated parole violation about a week after Elizabeth's abduction. He's been in prison since then. This guy's been a career criminal for the last 29 years and breifly worked as a handyman in the Smart's house some time last year. Apparently, they didn't know his background. I don't know that I would have checked either or have known how to go about checking. It's been interesting to follow but my heart breaks for that family missing their little girl.

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From: plrlegal

Date: 06-28-2002, 03:32 PM (146 of 175)

I'm with you Miss Vickie. Some subjects are better left alone.

Patsy

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From: jcook

Date: 06-28-2002, 06:53 PM (147 of 175)

According to the paper this morning, the words "under God" were not added until 1954. Does anyone know the history about why they were added at that time?

Just curious,
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From: plrlegal

Date: 06-28-2002, 10:00 PM (148 of 175)

President Dwight D. Eisenhower proposed to the U.S. Congress that the words "under God" be added in 1954 because he felt that would totally differeniate the United State from Russia who had declared itself a godless country at the beginning of the Cold War.

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From: shirleyp

Date: 06-29-2002, 03:39 AM (149 of 175)

This is a touchy subject for me, since I believe in God. One of the better part , if there was one, of the disaster of Sept. 11, the u.s. president went to church, while our country only showed a clergy in the audience, I was never so disappointed with our leadership, and the cold address he gave as a way of support for the americans. He could not even say a prayer for our neighbours. I am definately not the only one who felt this way, and that comes from non christians as well, they still felt that we should of had some public prayer.
If you check your history and read about the fall of rome, and what led to it, well our country is on the same path, and it will be the downfall of us.
If there are so many different religions and faiths all around the world, how can we truly say that God does not exist. Are we all then living on a illusion. I find that people are too complicated and wonderfully put together that we did not just happen.
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From: shirleyp

Date: 06-29-2002, 04:20 AM (150 of 175)

Patsy,
Under the American History "under God" was used already in the Bills and Resolutions, House of Representations 21st Congress, 1st Session. There are more quotes in correspondence from that time, especially from Abraham Lincoln. New York county used the quote in April of 1775. I don't know if it was an official use in your goverment, but there are references in actuall legal documents dated back to these dates.
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From: Karebear

Date: 06-29-2002, 06:46 AM (151 of 175)

This "under God" issue sickens me to heartache http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/frown.gif Yesterday morning I was up too early due to INSOMNIA http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/eek.gif

anyway CNN was on the tube and they had interviewed this "atheist". He is of a profession that makes too much money, therefore, he had some money to waste, so he decided to get his day in court.. http://www.sew-whats-new.com/forums/frown.gif

He felt that it was his obligation to show that he can be on TV.. I personally think he did this strictly for the publicity.. In any event, after this discussion, the reporter said that if he is so against this "under God saying" maybe we should relieve him of ALL his MONEY (where this statment is printed).

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From: plrlegal

Date: 06-29-2002, 12:14 PM (152 of 175)

Shirley I ususally don't expound upon my faith in God but I will say this and I believe it with my entire heart and being that one day, and I along with multitudes of other believers believe this, that not too long from now, Jesus Christ is going to return to stand upon the earth and as God says, "Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord", and then we shall see what the atheists have to say about there not being a God. If this man doesn't believe that God is real then why is he so afraid of his name? Why does any mention of of God bother him if he doesn't believe God exists? Just because people deny that God exists doesn't make it so. I know the end of the story Shirley and if I stay here I win and if I die I win because then I will be at home with God.

Patsy

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From: Miss Vickie

Date: 06-30-2002, 10:36 AM (153 of 175)

Ditto, Patsy!!

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From: MaryW

Date: 07-01-2002, 01:54 PM (154 of 175)

Elizabeth Smart has not been found yet, I am afraid the worst has happened.

Martha Stewart is going to be investigated for insider information concerning stocks she sold. Why do these people get so greedy, it's not like she has to wait 'til payday to buy something.

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From: MaryW

Date: 07-01-2002, 01:56 PM (155 of 175)

A man who wanted a firefighting job is being questioned in connection with that huge Arizona disaster. He started the fire because he wanted a job fighting fires, sick people in this world.

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From: shirleyp

Date: 07-05-2002, 10:09 AM (156 of 175)

I heard about that firefighter as well, couldn't believe it. There were over two hundred homes destroyed, if I am correct. Heard he did it just to get some work.

Watched the fireworks in New York city last night. It was awesome. I love fireworks, and they sure went all out.
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From: MaryW

Date: 07-19-2002, 05:22 AM (157 of 175)

Zacarias Moussaoui pleaded guilty to conspiring in the Sept. 11 attacks acknowledging that he was a member of Al Qaeda. The judge would not accept his plea and gave him a week to think about it.

That surprised me.

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From: Miss Vickie

Date: 07-19-2002, 08:52 AM (158 of 175)

I think it surprised a lot of people. Although, I think it was smart on her part, though. Pasty would probably know better than me, butI think there are some questions that the judge has to ask him following a guilty plea. I think she was buying herself some time to ask the right questions. Also, with all of the heat everyone has been taking surrounding blame about 9/11 I'm sure she wants to make abosolutely sure that he gets a fair trial so no one can come back and try to point that finger.

My thoughts on what they should do with him aren't kind, so I'll keep them to myself. Same goes for that worthless piece of skin that raped, killed, and dumped the body of that poor little 5 yr old Samantha. My heart aches for her family and what that little girl had to endure before he killed her.

God help this world that seems to be falling apart before our eyes.

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From: MaryW

Date: 07-19-2002, 08:56 AM (159 of 175)

I agree about the judge. The eyes of the world are on this trial, she wants to make sure nothing goes awry.

Has there been any news about Elizabeth Smart?

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From: malibucat

Date: 07-19-2002, 09:16 AM (160 of 175)

Nothing more on Elizabeth Smart that I've heard...other than that they don't believe it was the handyman that kidnapped her.

We had a child molestation here in one of the local Target stores. The girl was 9 years old...wandering in the toy department. A man came up behind her and put his hand up her shorts and said shhhh....how outrageous! And how incredibly stupid of parents to let their kids wander off alone....

The girl was able to identify the man on a store surveillance tape. The tape was released on the local news and the police now know the identity of the man and have a warrant out for his arrest.

You just wish none of this stuff exists...but unfortunately, it does. I never thought I was being over-protective by watching every little thing my kids did, or by not even allowing them to play in the front yard. It just made sense to me...my yard is the size of a postage stamp, too easy to grab and run...and turning them loose in a store?? No way...I'd never take that chance. I never even left them waiting in the car while I ran into a store, until they were teenagers! And then only because the car doors were locked...and they knew how to hit the horn button. You just can't take any chances at all....

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From: plrlegal

Date: 07-19-2002, 05:55 PM (161 of 175)

On the Al Queda nut subject!! The judge is taking every precaution she can so that nutcase has no real ground to spend the the taxpayers dollars over the next upteen hundred years on appeals. My hat is off to her for not taking any of his bull#$$%. Why do those idiots think we are all supposed to be scared to death of them??? I don't even think we should waste our money to incarcerate them. Shoot them and get them out of our misery. Just my 2 cents worth today. And, as for that useless piece of garbage that kidnapped, raped and murdered that little 5 year old my feelings are the same. As far as I'm concerned, our criminal justice system in this country is out of control and absolutely stinks when it comes to putting the garbage walking, driving and terrifying our streets away. Say what you want but the men who are raping and murdering children are lower than garbage.

Patsy

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From: malibucat

Date: 07-20-2002, 07:46 PM (162 of 175)

They got the guy here who molested a little girl in the Target store. That was great...he was nailed within 24 hours of the store surveillance tape being aired on the news. I wish all the stories had happy endings...

On a personal note, I think child molesters should be castrated...forget prison, just a waste of taxpayer money.

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From: MaryW

Date: 07-20-2002, 08:12 PM (163 of 175)

But first, they should do to him what he did to that little girl.

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From: shirleyp

Date: 07-21-2002, 01:02 AM (164 of 175)

I sure am happy that someone else feels these type of guys should be castrated. If they can't behave with what they got then get rid of it. Sorry for my bluntness, but I don't think prison will help. You hear about these guys being released from prison and doing it again. This would solve a lot of problems.
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From: MaryW

Date: 07-23-2002, 08:10 AM (165 of 175)

Something to ponder.
http://www.sew-whats-new.com/MiddleAgeSpread/homehearth/samantha.shtml

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From: malibucat

Date: 07-23-2002, 12:13 PM (166 of 175)

All common sense approaches to keeping your child safe. Everyday it seems I see someone who leaves their kids in the car...and I'm horrified. Sometimes even with the car running...

I think some people are accidents waiting to happen. You cannot replace your child...why would you take chances like that?

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From: shirleyp

Date: 07-23-2002, 12:25 PM (167 of 175)

I read Samantha's letter, and my thought is, why did we grow up in a safer society. I never really worried so much for my own children, but I do worry now for my granddaughter. Why can't our ruling members see that this is a part of their job, to protect the people from criminals. Do we need to live this way, constantly having to protect ourselfs.
Shirley

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From: MaryW

Date: 07-28-2002, 06:11 AM (168 of 175)

On the Al Aqaeda subject, now the man has changed his plea. He wants to go thru the judicial system and has pleaded "Not Guilty"

MaryW
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From: MaryW

Date: 07-28-2002, 06:13 AM (169 of 175)

Those 9 miners in Pennsylvania have all been rescued alive! They came out about 2:45 this morning. Their families must be dancing on the rooftops. Quite a nerve wracking 3 days for them.

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From: malibucat

Date: 07-28-2002, 10:18 AM (170 of 175)

Now that's what I would call a miracle. The news this morning said that 7 of them would probably be going home this evening...but that all of them were in much better shape than expected. I can't believe they survived myself...

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From: plrlegal

Date: 07-28-2002, 06:16 PM (171 of 175)

I can believe those coal miners survived because my dad was a coal miner and their fellow workers know no limits in rescuing their own alive. Those men would have dug with their bare hands had the need arisen to try and save those men. My dad was in a mining accident and had his back broken in 3 places. He was buried under several tons of slate for over 24 hours before he was rescued. This was many years before they had the sophisticated equipment used to rescue the 9 men in Pennsylvania. My dad's fellow workers physically dug through to where he and the other men were buried and lifted the slate off of them one piece at a time. Trust me, those men know no limits when it comes rescuing and assisting their own.

Patsy

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From: MaryW

Date: 09-17-2002, 10:05 AM (172 of 175)

The world has been eerily quiet since the anniversary of Sept. 11/01

People are depressed, somber and anxious about the world in general. Are we ever going to be happy and carefree as we once were?

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From: plrlegal

Date: 09-17-2002, 10:31 AM (173 of 175)

Unfortunately Mary, the terrorists are living in our midst here in the U.S. so that makes everyone doubly jumpy. Just like at the Philadelphia/Washington football game last night. Apparently a fight broke out in the stands and the police sprayed some very potent pepper spray that filtered down to the Philadelphia bench and immediately cleared it. Everyone ran to the middle of the field expecting the worst (i.e., some kind of chemical warfare, etc.). You could tell even the TV announcers were very nervous until they were told what had actually happened. Sad isn't it. You can't even enjoy a football game without being alarmed about being attacked by terrorists?

Patsy

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From: MaryW

Date: 09-17-2002, 01:11 PM (174 of 175)

Well, that is enough to give anyone the jitters.

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From: plrlegal

Date: 09-17-2002, 02:42 PM (175 of 175)

I think that is probably what was on the minds of those announcers last night -- what better place than a football stadium with what -- 40, 50, 60 thousand people all in one place? Is that a scary thought or what?

Patsy

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